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40 Million Americans Bought Guns in 2020, 12M More Than Any Year Before
The Gun Study ^ | 1/26/2021

Posted on 01/26/2021 9:14:14 AM PST by Black_Rifle_Gunsmith

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To: gundog
I believe that’s incorrect.

I do as well. Each 4473 contains the model and serial number of the firearm purchased as well as the identity of the purchaser. That information is retained at the FFL level for at least 20 years and may be called upon by subpoena, and is passed to the BATFE if that FFL holder goes out of business. And anyone who actually thinks that the FBI deletes it after completion of the NICS check as they are required by law to do thinks more of the integrity of that organization than I do.

21 posted on 01/26/2021 10:10:35 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: DCBryan1
Laser engrave won't do the job for an SBR lower to meet ATF specs for a Form 1 or Form 4. It needs to be a physical engraving. I have a local FFL with a high quality milling machine. His day job is at the Idaho National Labs as a machinist. He has great software to layout the engraving and a high quality mill to execute. Mine are engraved on the front of the AR-15 lower mag well. It's a stripped lower at milling time. I build it up after milling and refinish the milled bare metal.
22 posted on 01/26/2021 10:10:59 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Billthedrill
The latest revision of the Form 4473 has the firearm type, manufacturer, model and caliber on the first page with the buyer info on the bottom of the first page. Previously, the firearm info was on page 3. The new format makes it dirt simple to scan and optically record the data to a database.
23 posted on 01/26/2021 10:13:49 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Black_Rifle_Gunsmith

Truly shows the confidence people have in the Democrats


24 posted on 01/26/2021 10:15:54 AM PST by krug
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To: Eagle of Liberty
It's not the 5 million new gun owners who are buying up all the ammunition, it's the existing owners who are stock piling......

I bought a new Sig P365 this past year and a couple weeks ago went to an indoor range with a buddy to shoot it. Unbeknownst to me, the range did not allow any steel cased ammo and that's all I had. The range didn't even have any brass ammo to sell me but at least my buddy had a box he gave me so it wasn't a wasted trip.

25 posted on 01/26/2021 10:18:15 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: gundog

They list the gun, the buyer and the serial number. By law they are supposed to destroy this NICS form if you pass the background check in 24 hrs. If you are denied essentially it goes into the FBI database the way I read the law.

The feds are supposedly prevented from creating a gun registration database, but since when has the ATF/FBI/DOJ obeyed any law?


26 posted on 01/26/2021 10:46:11 AM PST by sarge83
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To: sarge83

Form 4473 records individual information pertaining to the firearm and buyer. The numbers reported by the FBI only record NICS background checks. Call them yourself and confirm, like I did.

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fbi-headquarters


27 posted on 01/26/2021 11:03:59 AM PST by Black_Rifle_Gunsmith
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Easy way to east the problem?

Open up imported pistol and rifle primers to US.

That is logical? But not to the ammo manufacturers in the US.

And not to Thieving Politicians in DC. They are afraid of us already.


28 posted on 01/26/2021 11:10:58 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: DCBryan1

Considering that price, it makes more sense to buy a Ghost Gunner 3d gun printer.

https://ghostgunner.net/


29 posted on 01/26/2021 11:23:59 AM PST by Kevmo (I'm in a slow motion Red Dawn reality TV show. The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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To: Billthedrill

It doesn’t seem to take investigators very long to trace the history of a weapon if it’s used in a crime. If they have the weapon in hand, the manufacturer is known. I assume that they maintain records of where they sent them...through an FFL...and the gun distributor of dealer can produce records of who they sold the gun to. In many jurisdictions it is no longer legal to sell a firearm without involving an FFL holder.


30 posted on 01/26/2021 11:33:24 AM PST by gundog (This space for rent.)
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To: sarge83

On days when I’ve purchased guns from different dealers, I get a discount on the second NICS fee. That may be why they hold the record for 24 hours, and have it readily available.


31 posted on 01/26/2021 11:39:21 AM PST by gundog (This space for rent.)
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To: moovova; Black_Rifle_Gunsmith; rbg81
“40 Million Americans Bought Guns in 2020, 12M More Than Any Year Before”

“That’s a lotta 13-page BATFE forms...and $200 fees."

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You, apparently, are not a (legal) firearms purchaser.

You just described a "NFA" form and $200 fee -- required for purchase and registration of full-auto firearms, short-barreled weapons, suppressors, etc.

Ordinary firearm purchases/transfers are recorded on ATF form 4473 -- which (last time I checked) requires NO FEE and is completed by a civilian purchaser at a FFL dealer.

ATF form 4473, apparently, has recently been revised. It is now six (6) pages, of which 3.5 pages are printed "NOTICES, INSTRUCTIONS, AND DEFINITIONS" --and only 2.5 pages are the "form" which must be filled out by the transferree and the FFL (dealer).

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Next time, check your facts before you post misleading garbage!

32 posted on 01/26/2021 11:39:46 AM PST by TXnMA (The Democrat Party has a single-element strategy: CHEATING... Reinstate Public Executions!)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

“But now the real problem. 40 million more people need ammo......otherwise that new gun is a really nice paperweight.”

Most of them aren’t shooters and will probably not shoot a box in a year.


33 posted on 01/26/2021 11:43:09 AM PST by dljordan
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To: TXnMA

I think the poster was addressing Biden’s desire to make semi-automatic firearms into NFA items. Hasn’t happened - yet.


34 posted on 01/26/2021 12:21:10 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Hot Tabasco

Oh man, good thing he had the ammo! I am having a lot of trouble finding 12ga shotgun shells!!


35 posted on 01/26/2021 12:30:33 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty
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To: TXnMA

How feasible is it to track high capacity mags? I would think not very. Not even sure if those transactions are recorded. What can they do if you lost 1 or 2?

Worst case, they make you fill out an affidavit to that effect. Which means just don’t get caught with one.


36 posted on 01/26/2021 12:38:09 PM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: TXnMA; Black_Rifle_Gunsmith; rbg81
TXnMA....try to keep up, sport.

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Biden Proposes $200 Gun Tax and Firearm Buyback Program Along with 13 page Form that Asks for Fingerprints and Photograph

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Although, I do admit you did some very nice html formatting with you italics, large fonts and blue font colors. Next time though, don't get so wrapped up in making it pretty. Spend more time...

...checking your facts before you post misleading garbage!

37 posted on 01/26/2021 12:40:35 PM PST by moovova (Yo GOP....we won't forget.)
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To: Kevmo

Considering that price, it makes more sense to buy a Ghost Gunner 3d gun printer.


The problem with that is the tech is still in its infancy. A 3D gun will only last for a few shots—maybe one box of ammo at most. It’s a lot of trouble to go though unless you ARE going to commit a crime.


38 posted on 01/26/2021 12:43:02 PM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: TXnMA
Next time, check your facts before you post misleading garbage!

What's with the anger dude? How about politely correcting him if he is indeed wrong?

What happened to civility around here?

39 posted on 01/26/2021 12:48:04 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: rbg81

Cody Wilson says he regularly puts 500 rounds thru these guns. I think your info is outdated.


40 posted on 01/26/2021 12:49:22 PM PST by Kevmo (I'm in a slow motion Red Dawn reality TV show. The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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