Joe Biden to Canada: Drop Dead

National Review ^ | 1/20/2021 | Rich Lowry

[beef]

“Blacks might want to read up on what he thought of them.”

Yes, there is that, too.

[Yaelle]

FR is not ever going to avoid human worship. I learned to avoid it the first time after this place was lockstep worshipping the Bush family. Now Trump. I just can’t. It’s dead wrong to worship humans. Period. I can’t do it. At least I only fell for it the once. Some do it again and again. Absolute glorification and polarization. We should do better.

[dfwgator]

It’s not worshipping Trump, it’s just acknowledging that as of now, there simply is no alternative.

Maybe that will change, and maybe it won’t. But until that time comes, I’m sticking with Trump against all others.

[Don W]

In fact, most of the Indian tribes have no problems with the pipeline, it’s enviro-wackos and other (mostly white, imagine that) radicals that are making all the noise about “native rights” etc. Aaron Gunn has done some good reporting on this issue.

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

Oh sht that’s right!! I forgot about that. Im gonna be sick

[cport]

It’s absurd, and the same basic mindset as these leftists who are truly threatening all of us, not just “Trump supporters”. Trump is just the lightning rod. Leftists don’t just hate him, they hate all Republicans or any conservative. Stop acting the same way. Especially to your own side. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good

No one here thinks he is king; some may be so enthusiastic of what he represents, they may project too much reliance on his 8D chess, but that can be forgiven. What can't be forgiven are former "conservatives" turning on the man with the charisma, cajones, and faith in US, the deplorables, to actuate conservative principles that they espouse. The best thing Trump did (besides the economy, tax cuts, identify and excoriate our enemies, stabilize the ME, and toughen immigration, but I digress) was expose the Deep State and all their insipid members, of which National Review is a card carrying member.

What this little NR rant indicates, even though it is correct, is that the NR and their ilk feel safe to come out and play the game of "loyal opposition". Gotta have somebody around to call racists.

[BroJoeK]

the OlLine Rebel: "Trump is not a king, and certainly not a god.
Why must everything be about HIM? Why not generally about the COUNTRY?"

Sorry, but I don't "get" what your problem is with Trump -- nobody ever said he was a "king", much less "god", that's ridiculous.
But he is kind of a big deal, for Republicans and for the country generally, because he represents a political mind-set that most conservatives find quite compatible and that also appeals strongly to some traditionally Democrat voters, including workers and minority groups.

Trump's alleged loss in 2020 represents at best a major set-back for conservative interests, at worst a potential disaster for the country.

So I don't think we can overestimate Trump's importance in the larger scheme of things.

[dfwgator]

Exactly. Too many want to look the gift horse in the mouth. The bottom line is Trump is the only one on our side who literally galvanized a movement against the Deep State, there simply is nobody else out there.

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "Meant to appease Berkshire Hathaway which ships oil by rail car and makes a huge amount of money doing it.
Warren Buffet is the robber baron involved in this Federal influence selling scheme."

Right, just as in 1860 our globalist business elites are allied with Democrats in opposition to small-town, small-business Republicans.
In 1860 the wealthiest men in American, as a group, were Democrat Southern planters -- cotton, tobacco & sugar exporters, allied with Democrat globalist Big City financial interests.
They didn't care about, indeed they didn't want to "Put Americans First" or "Make America Great" since all their wealth came from international exports, imports & financial dealings.

Then as now, Republicans were the real Americans, middle incomes, small businesses, defending traditional cultural & religious values.
Democrats hated, hated all those things, so declared & waged total war against the United States to destroy us.

In the 1860s Democrats failed, but they've never quit trying and today seem on the verge of total success.

[DiogenesLamp]

I keep forgetting. You keep believing "Democrats" had control of the government in the 1850s, when clearly they didn't.

Control of Washington started out in the South, but over time it migrated to New York, and has remained in New York ever since.

This Keystone pipeline thing has nothing to do with morality, it has to do with who is expecting a payback from the Liberal influence selling machine.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Of course they don’t say it. They ACT like it. I have less problem with Trump, than I do with people who are completely beholden to him. Indeed they DO act like he is a god. It’s the truth; it’s here all the time and people want anyone who disagrees with anything Trump to be zotted, banned, fired, etc. We can’t say one thing against him then a whole bunch of conservatives (to the point of wanting King Trump?) attack us.

Trust me; it’s about as bad as any liberal trying to expunge all conservatives. I’ve fought both ways and have been ripped to shreds both ways. Including sticking up for Trump to libs.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Why thank you. ;-)

[woodbutcher1963]

I spoke to a buddy up in BC today.
He said both of the BC pipeline projects are going to go through. The Trans Mountain over to Prince Rupert and the doubling of the current one that goes to Vancouver.

So, eventually those two projects will make it a lot cheaper to get the oil to the Pacific Ocean Supertankers. This is good for the west coast of the US too. They mostly get their oil from Alaska currently.

[Trump.Deplorable]

Liberalism has been dead for two decades

Republican Party was the liberal party and still kinda is

The Democrat party are globalist and always has been, they just adopt radical socialism as their platform and hide behind it.

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "I keep forgetting.
You keep believing "Democrats" had control of the government in the 1850s, when clearly they didn't.
Control of Washington started out in the South, but over time it migrated to New York, and has remained in New York ever since."

Like I said, you're completely stuck on stupid, FRiend.
Southern Democrats did rule over Washington DC, beginning with their victory in the 1800 election.
And from at least the time of Senator (later President) Martin Van Buren in 1821, Southern slaveholding Democrats allied with Northern Big City immigrant & financial Democrats.
It was all about the Democrats, period!

Yes, I "get it", that you wish to argue Southern Democrats, over time, became subservient to their Northern Democrat allies, but that's total nonsense.
Did you ever learn the term "Doughfaced Northerner"?
It was first used around 1820 at the time of the Missouri Compromise by a genuine "strict constructionist" Democrat (not a faux conservative like Jefferson) named John Randolph to describe the large numbers of Northern representatives eager to appease their Southern Democrat allies (Randolph considered them "weak men, timid men, half-baked men".".)

"They were scared at their own dough faces — yes, they were scared at their own dough faces!— We had them, and if we wanted three more, we could have had them: yes, and if these had failed, we could have three more of these men, whose conscience, and morality, and religion, extend to 'thirty-six degrees and thirty minutes north latitude'.[3]"

That term, "Doughfaced", was used through the Civil War and included such Presidents as Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan.

So tell us: when & where did you ever hear the term "Southern Doughfaced Democrat"?
That's right, you never did because they never existed.

Now, you might wish to inform us that as a price of their alliance, Northern Democrats may have extracted certain concessions from their Southern Democrat partners, concessions that happened to enhance the preeminence of, for example, New York City harbor & customs infrastructure.
OK, but if true, wouldn't you expect to find some public record at the time, of these alleged "concessions", where Southern Democrats had at first opposed them, then reluctantly agreed for sake of political comity?
So, where are those records -- who exactly said what, and when?
And what if it wasn't just a matter of political comity, but rather a fair exchange (however you define "fair") of political value for value?

Here's the real truth of this matter: as late as the election of 1856 Northern & Southern Democrats united to elect both Doughfaced James Buchanan President, majorities in Congress, the reduced Tariff of 1857 and the US Supreme Court's Dred Scot ruling.
So it seems to me that even in 1857 Southern Democrats were getting a lot of value from of their alliance with Northern Democrats and had no real reasons for complaint.

Nor did they complain, then.

And all of this had nothing to do with Republicans, nothing, zero, nada, your desperate wishes to the contrary notwithstanding.

[mrsmith]

Joe’s “message” is more pointed to the Huawei executive Trump had detained in Canada for extradition to the US for trial.

Joe is telling Canada that the US will not back them against China. If Canada wants to sell oil it will have to sell it to China- so it better be nice to China.

So clear to me.

[BroJoeK]

the OlLine Rebel: "Of course they don’t say it.
They ACT like it.
I have less problem with Trump, than I do with people who are completely beholden to him.
Indeed they DO act like he is a god.
It’s the truth..."

Nobody who worships the true God can ever "worship" a mere man.
On the other hand, normal loyalty to a cause and to the people who lead it, such loyalty is a virtue, it helps hold our country and our parties together.
And loyalty to Donald Trump is still a virtue, certainly up to a reasonable point, especially considering that nobody else, Republican or otherwise, comes anywhere close to Trump in his loyalty to "forgotten Americans" and his ability to attract huge numbers of voters.

So I would not "dump Trump" until or unless he himself signals that he wishes the "torch" passed on to someone else.
Of course, nobody lives forever, but I don't think Trump's time is over, far from it.

the OlLine Rebel: "Trust me; it’s about as bad as any liberal trying to expunge all conservatives.
I’ve fought both ways and have been ripped to shreds both ways.
Including sticking up for Trump to libs."

All that said, I really like your attitude here.