Who will serve the GOP best in the future.

https://thehill.com/ ^ | 10th January 2020 | Ozguy1945

[dforest]

How hell can anyone talk about this BS when what is happening now makes it a joke? Forget the party crap folks. There is one party and that is reality.

[precisionshootist]

"I said I won’t be voting in national elections. So not voting does not mean quitting. What is this Alice in Wonderland, Orwell's TruthSpeak? And as far as the main reason both GA seats were lost, DiSantis proved in Florida, those issues can be cleaned up very quickly. Replace the China comprised Governor and wicked corrupt SOS, and squishy do-nothing GOP legislature types. But you already submitted to permanent defeat, so you won't be involved in any of that. "

I was not trying to be secretive or coy in the post you are replying. I just did not want to get long winded and simply state that the GOP on the national level is dead as they failed to correct an election they actually won.

The part you are missing is "national elections". There are still individual states, an article V convention, nullification, secession and other possibilities.

We have our problems here in Texas but we don't have dominion voting machines and we do have a mostly conservative congress and gov. That is where the focus will be for me going forward. I will waste no time on our fake DC reps.

I'm not a history expert but I think it tells us on a national level our republic is lost. Corruption on the level we just witnessed is never turned around. The people who stole this election are totalitarians and by definition they will not be removed peacefully. Voting to try to remove them is futile as we witnessed on Nov. 3rd. It will only get worse.

Individual states such as Texas and others still have options worth trying.

[precisionshootist]

"Pence did what he could reasonably do in the situation. No, he did about the worst thing he could do. He should have announced whatever he was going to do long in advance. That way people wouldn’t have false expectations and worked on asking state legislators. 2 days before January 6 at a rally in Georgia he implied that Congress was going to fix the fraud on January 6."

Absolutely correct. He should have openly stated he is going to reject any electoral votes from states that changed their election laws in an unconstitutional manner.

In just a few short months Pence and most of the GOP in Washington are going to regret they did nothing to stop this as communism sweeps this nation.

[Grampa Dave]

Excellent analogy:

There are a few good conservatives, but it seems the GOP plays as the Washington Generals to the Democrats Harlem Globetrotters.

[BiglyCommentary]

There are still individual states, an article V convention, nullification, secession and other possibilities.... I will waste no time on our fake DC reps.

Don't look now but for many of those things you say you will vote all your time and energy to, require votes BY THOSE DC REPS that you will scuttle. Take Article V, see what this says:

"Article V - The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, "

Good luck.

[shortstop]

"Mike Pompeo"

To me he is the most obvious choice, but I can't get any reaction on FR when I mention his name for future consideration for President. Keep it going. Thanks.

[poconopundit]

“The premise is wrong. It is not who will serve the GOP best, it is who will serve our Constitutional Republic best in the future.”  And the answer is not Trump or MAGA Hulk.  It is us. * * * Beautifully said, rlmorel. And going through this tough period is a reminder that unless We the People stand up for our Constitutional Republic NOW, all the gains we've made will go for naught -- if not now, then 4 years from now when Trump can no longer be President.  The system must be reformed.  And WE are the ONLY ones to do it and make it stick. On this point, I was reading about the life of Sakamoto Ryoma (mid-19th century).  He came from a very poor and low-level samurai family, but arose by his own ingenuity to become an international trader and owned a shipping company which eventually became Mitsubishi.  His wide experiences in business and contact with foreigners in Nagasaki made him a truly modern thinker in a feudal country. Ryoma unified the opposition to the Tokugawa Shogunate that ruled Japan for 250 years.  The Tokugawa had united Japan around 1630 and stopped the endless civil war, however in the face of the 1850-1860s threat of foreign nations invading and colonizing the country like they did in China, the Tokugawa government refused to act.  The government was encumbered by its own bureaucracy and was looking out only for itself, not "We the People".  (Sound familiar?). Ryoma basically brought the leaders of two powerful clans in Western Japan together -- the Satsuma and Choshu -- who hated each other before Ryoma convinced them to work together.  By allying these two clans, the Tokugawa shogun was eventually overthrown, bringing on the era of modern Japan, the Meiji period. In Japan today there is no historical figure who measures up as a hero and loved man as much as Sakamoto Ryoma. And here's a quote of Ryoma I found of his which seems very appropriate to your comments: "Anything can be accomplished if you take responsibility for doing at least 80 percent to 90 percent of it yourself.  Pass the remaining 10-20 percent of responsibility on to others and give them all the credit."

Sakamoto Ryoma

[Slyfox]

The Country Club Republicans have had control of the GOP leadership since before Reagan. During Reagan's term they did everything they could to man-handle his staff and his objectives, led by GHW Bush. Reagan nicely elbowed them out of the way with his most important stuff like his speeches and his work with JPII.

I have a friend who is a political advisor and he was at a meeting which featured Karl Rove. Rove hated Phyllis Schlafly with a passion and spent at least 20 minutes during his presentation telling all present how awful she was to their plans. And how she always got in the way of their actions. My friend was shocked at Rove's display.

Phyllis was one of the prime leaders of grassroots conservative action and she was roundly hated by the Country Clubbers and the Never Trumpers.

The CC and NTers are NOT the ones who built the GOP. That was people like Phyllis and regular grassroots. Karl Rove and his ilk prefer to let the little people do the grunt work and then step out in front and take credit for what we were doing the whole time.

I have been in grassroots politics for at least 40 years and I served as an election judge for at least 20 years. I have served on resolution and platform committees. I have been close to those Rove types and to be honest THEY are the reason the GOP was not as successful as we could have been, especially between Reagan and Trump.

We have had Trump for 4 years and he has totally transformed the GOP as close to what it was originally designed to be - as a mirror of the Constitution.

Before McCain chose Sarah Palin as his VP, the grassroots leaders in the GOP had absolutely no interest in getting behind him. But, the moment Sarah Palin was chosen the entire tenor of the convention was uplifted. Palin was the grassroots candidate. Too bad McCain was such an ass, if he was more like Sarah we would have won that election.

Trump has been such a surprise and a relief among the true grassroots leadership. He has elbowed the pretenders out of the way and has given all the Phyllis Schlafly types front seats at the leadership table where they belong.

[Slyfox]

Please look at my post at 148.

[BiglyCommentary]

Great post! Phyllis was a giant among puny mortals.

[precisionshootist]

You must not understand those words “congress shall” . they have no choice and no an article V convention does NOT require any approval or votes from DC. The founders made this explicit, hence the use of the word “shall”.

[precisionshootist]

So you are not correct. None of the things I listed require any input from DC. If Texas nullifies federal law or even secedes we will not be asking permission from DC. If the states meet the Constitutional requirement to call an article V convention DC can’t do a damn thing about it.

[BiglyCommentary]

And you must not understand what 2/3rds means. NO 2/3RDS, NO SHALL. So once again, 2/3rds of all US (federal) Senators and Congressmen have to vote AYE. That won’t happen with you and your 10 million sitting out those elections and making sure they are all Democrats. You are on a fool’s errand.

“The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary”

[BiglyCommentary]

Wrong. If the Congress is 95% Democrat (Thanks to you), they can repeal any new amendments passed by 2/3rds of the states. A fool’s errand.

[precisionshootist]

" And you must not understand what 2/3rds means. NO 2/3RDS, NO SHALL. So once again, 2/3rds of all US (federal) Senators and Congressmen have to vote AYE. That won’t happen with you and your 10 million sitting out those elections and making sure they are all Democrats. You are on a fool’s errand. “The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary” "

You have no idea what you are talking about. The 2/3rds is the state legislatures. It has nothing to do with the US congress.

Now take some time to educate yourself a bit. Nothing you have said is even close to correct.

[BiglyCommentary]

It has nothing to do with the US congress.

Oh really, even when it says this:

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof,"

And please tell everyone what Amendment you'll get Texas to propose that will get 3/4 of all 50 states agreeing to? A fool errand.

[BiglyCommentary]

And your 95% Democrat US Congress (thanks to you) will pack the SCOTUS 20-0. So who will inforce the "SHALL" when the lawless rats just ignore something sent their way from Texas? A 20-0 lawless SCOTUS? How did that recent Texas SCOTUS case work out at 6-3?

A fool's errand.

[precisionshootist]

You need to read your quote carefully. There are two methods to change the Constitution. Congress can propose amendments that is the first part OR states can propose amendments, that is the second part.

"or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments," From this point on it's all states and nothing to do with votes from congress. The founders were pretty smart guys so that was the whole point of the two methods. The second being if the people wanted to change the constitution congress could not stop them. The founders feared one day the government could become corrupt and would refuse to change the constitution per the will of the people. So they added article V convention of states. If a convention of states required permission from congress then that would still leave the final say with the government and that would not make much sense would it.

You don't have to take it from me. Check out

https://conventionofstates.com/

They have many Constitutional lawyers and scholars that can answer any questions.

[BiglyCommentary]

What Amendment you’ll get Texas to propose that will get 3/4 of all 50 states agreeing to? You surely must be able to rattle off a few.

[precisionshootist]

" What Amendment you’ll get Texas to propose that will get 3/4 of all 50 states agreeing to? You surely must be able to rattle off a few. "

If you want to know more you should take some time to get up to speed on the process. You will need to get informed yourself. Here is one of the best resources.

https://conventionofstates.com/