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Seventeen States Have Now Joined the Texas Lawsuit so Why Are Professional Conservatives Calling It Crazy?
RedState ^ | December 10, 2020 | Streiff

Posted on 12/10/2020 3:42:13 PM PST by CheshireTheCat

...I would go even further. If states are allowed to arbitrarily and capriciously change voting procedures in such a way that the vote can be manipulated to produce a particular result, do those states even meet the Constitutional requirement of having a “republican form of government?”

What has been sort of surprising to me is that folks on the right who I generally respect are now lining up to belittle the case. Some have even gone so far as to declare the case is ridiculous and that this is nothing more than Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton trolling for a pardon from President Trump. Paxton has been an absolute warrior for life and conservatism and given his success record in the federal courts, that claim is more of an admission of a lack of imagination on the part of the people making it than a reflection on Paxton. Even if you think the case is a long shot, there is no harm in demanding that the world’s leading democracy be able to count votes in a consistent manner so the nation can know who won a f***ing election. There is no harm done to conservatism and a great deal of good done to the Republic my pointing out over and over that the way in which a handful of states carried out their duties on November 3 prevents the nation from ever knowing who actually won. Taking cheap shots at the people fighting the fight that everyone on the right should be fighting is wrong in every way....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: chinesecollaborators; cuckservatives; election; lawsuit; rinos; texas
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To: SPDSHDW

There’s a difference between making a buck and making an honest buck.


21 posted on 12/10/2020 4:58:13 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: CheshireTheCat

Don’t shoot the messenger, but I predict the lawsuit will be dismissed, and I give it 50/50 odds that SCOTUS will issue an opinion criticizing the lawsuit.

There are a multitude of defects with this lawsuit, including standing, timing, and Federalism.

In 2017, McConnel could have pushed through election security bills. He didn’t. The decision will haunt the nation for the next 4 years.

Ultimately, and with all due respect to Federalism, I think it’s time for a Constitutional Amendment to allow Congress to regulate elections. Our current piecemeal system where some states allow felons to vote, others don’t, some allow universal mail-in, some allow absentee, some do ranked-choice, etc. etc. is prone to malfeasance, including interference by our enemies.

Election integrity is a national security issue, and must be taken up at the Federal level. It is too important to be left to individual precincts.


22 posted on 12/10/2020 5:01:24 PM PST by God_Country_Trump_Guns
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To: CheshireTheCat

Not professional conservatives, Bush League Republicans.


23 posted on 12/10/2020 5:04:52 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents|Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: CheshireTheCat

So who or what is a *professional conservative*?


24 posted on 12/10/2020 5:19:33 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: philman_36

Surely anyone who argues the USA is a Constitutional Republic isn’t (or shouldn’t be) ALSO arguing that the USA *should* be something other than democratic though? If so, which one?

All the recent court cases exist because conservatives want to restore democracy in places where democracy has been subverted.

If America isn’t and shouldn’t be thought of as a democracy, one has to ask what do you want instead of democracy - because the most common alternatives to democracy are oligarchy, plutocracy, kleptocracy, autocracy, aristocracy, and most of them are also kakistocracies.

(For a full list, see http://phrontistery.info/govern.html).

“Republics” have -cracies.

Yes the USA was founded as a Constitutional Republic, before the West was even fully known to be Wild... but nowadays your executive branches are populated through free and fair elections and nowadays all natural born citizens entitled to vote for the President they want. To all intents and purposes, you’ve been on the road to democracy ever since Washington gave his farewell address.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp

Y’know, that’s what America has been telling all the banana republics of the world for decades - that the USA is a “beacon” of democracy. That it upholds democracy. That it practices it.

But this is an illusion NOT because of the founders’ design, because America has ignored the gist of Washington’s warning when he described America in his farewell speech.

Which was,

“They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community...”

“Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally... The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism.”

The very basis of the objection to Biden being declared President Elect is NOT because true conservatives are denying that America should be governed by “the delegated will of the nation” i.e. representation i.e. representative democracy, it is because they are DEFENDING that fact. But indirectly, there’s another problem: your current setup guarantees, funds and perpetuates “the alternate domination of one faction over another”.

If Trump, and all his supporters, are to be true to their word and truly want to restore the Republic, then they need to remove this secondary cancer in the system - and it isn’t democracy or communism, it’s the Party system. Stuffed to the balls with time-servers, carpet-baggers and foreign interests. The Deep State has always been there; the front of house is the Party system.

The party system is the originator of “organized faction”, it is the corrupting influence and enabler, and it definitely has resulted in “horrid enormities” this year... Time to listen to the long dead dude, and give the Party system the Old Yeller treatment.


25 posted on 12/10/2020 5:38:34 PM PST by MalPearce
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To: MalPearce
You misplace democracy with democratic elements within the established Republic.
Those democratic elements in no way make America a democracy.

That you don't recognize that says more about you than all
of the other needless and pointless words you wrote.

26 posted on 12/10/2020 6:06:12 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: MalPearce
...representative democracy...

Another misrepresentation.
Does the Constitution establish how such representation is to be formed?
If the Constitution does that then America isn't a representative democracy either as you imply.

Under your assertion of representative democracy then Congress has no limits upon its powers unlike reality where Congress is limited under the restraints of the Constitution.

27 posted on 12/10/2020 6:17:31 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: God_Country_Trump_Guns
I predict the lawsuit will be dismissed, and I give it 50/50 odds that SCOTUS will issue an opinion criticizing the lawsuit.

Fortunately, your predictive abilities are completely worthless. I would suggest that you do not quit your day job.

This may not be the strongest case currently working its way through the system, but it is the one that is going to give the court the opportunity to weigh in on the current situation at a time when it is desperately needed. It would be nice to say that the outcome will be based on a brilliant analysis of the constitution as written. But the cold hard reality is that the conservative justices are well aware of the fraud that has taken place. They also know that if Biden was to steal the presidency and the Democrats pulled the same stunt with the Georgia Senate races that the court will be packed with far left bozos in 3...2...1... bingo. The conservative justice's influence will become nonexistent in the same amount of time. The conservative justices can act now and save the country and their legacies, or they can punt, hope for a better case and lose it all.

Which do you really think that they will do? I have seen this play out before at the state level on several previous occasions. Every time the Justices figured out judicial gymnastics to justify the course that they preferred.

28 posted on 12/10/2020 11:46:34 PM PST by fireman15
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To: philman_36

That makes no sense.

Just because you have a written Constitution doesn’t mean you aren’t a democracy.

Representative Democracy explains how your executive works. Every branch of your executive is elected.

In simpler terms, “of the people, for the people, by the people” implies representation. Emancipation + Election + Representation (of the “demos”) = modern representative democracy.


29 posted on 12/11/2020 12:28:03 AM PST by MalPearce
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To: fireman15

Senators are supposed to be appointed by governors, which is why this country is so f***ed up.

And which is why we got Hillary in NY in 2000. Remember her “listening tour upstate and how she was going to rebuild the infrastructure and create jobs? I do.

Well, she didn’t do anything. But the idiots in NY State voted for her anyway. There’s a special place in hell waiting for her.


30 posted on 12/11/2020 12:41:58 AM PST by Concentrate (ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. )
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To: philman_36

Not a misrepresentation and your answer is irrelevant.

Separation of powers, and limitations of power, have nothing to do with it. You live in a democracy if you vote for the people in power and (normally) have the ability to vote them out.

If the idea that America is a (failing) democracy have a word with Trump who is trying to restore functional democracy, and have a word with your entire world police stuff since the end of the second world war where everything about your culture has been about freedom and democracy going hand in hand.

Or are you saying America spent trillions reinforcing democracy around the world despite not believing it was itself a democracy?!


31 posted on 12/11/2020 1:24:37 AM PST by MalPearce
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To: fireman15

I think SCOTUS will stick to the Constitution and shoot down the lawsuit.

And if I am proven right, remember this next sentence:

EVERY SINGLE person, party, or entity that signed off in support of this lawsuit KNEW full well it was frivolous, and did so to deceive and manipulate us.

Just remember that sentence when the SCOTUS ruling comes down.


32 posted on 12/11/2020 8:50:42 AM PST by God_Country_Trump_Guns
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To: God_Country_Trump_Guns

So you and scaredkitty2020 are fighting over the daily Eeyore award! You two belong over at DU not here. Incredible how the biggest pansies on the site gave themselves the most manly names! LOL!!! What a joke. I rename you MamasBasementDweller.


33 posted on 12/11/2020 9:34:45 AM PST by fireman15
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To: God_Country_Trump_Guns

Why do you want the Democrats to be able to steal this election and Why do you want Willie’s whore to reside in the White House? Are you kin to her?


34 posted on 12/11/2020 9:39:45 AM PST by sport
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To: sport; fireman15; Golden Eagle

If SCOTUS is to exercise original jurisdiction as a trial court, it needs to look at evidence UNLESS there is no question of fact, and the dispute is purely a question of law. In other words, the ONLY WAY the SCOTUS can make a finding of fraud (a question of fact) is to look at evidence.

Evidence has been submitted, in the form of declarations, as well as election records. Thousands of pages of it. It’s on the court website. SCOTUS is not going to issue a ruling without examining the evidence. It violates basic jurisprudence and established precedent. It won’t happen.

See the link below to read some of those declarations.

I am surprised at all the anger. I am just pointing out that we are being played.

The lawsuit is frivolous. It is a show, with non-existent entities now filing briefs. It looks like every lawyer with Fed Court efiling privileges is now joining the act.

That is all I am going to say now. Don’t shoot the messenger. Just wait and see.

And when my prediction comes true, please, PLEASE, remember this sentence: Every person, party, or entity that joined this lawsuit is manipulating us.

Just remember that, please.

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Below is JUST SOME of the evidence SCOTUS is asked to review in order to exercise original jurisdiction. The first one alone is 300+ pages:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163443/20201210175513820_Appendix%20section%206.pdf

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163443/20201210174832873_Appendix%20section%202.pdf

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163443/20201210174039904_Appendix%20section%201.pdf

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163443/20201210175102602_Appendix%20section%204.pdf

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163443/20201210181734779_Appendix%20section%207b.pdf


35 posted on 12/11/2020 10:14:58 AM PST by God_Country_Trump_Guns
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To: God_Country_Trump_Guns
Every person, party, or entity that joined this lawsuit is manipulating us.

The only one doing any manipulating is you... President Trump who joined this lawsuit and Ted Cruz who agreed to present the arguments in front of the court are not “manipulating us”. Somehow I trust President Trump and his lawyers judgement more than yours. Go back to DU. And change your name to something more fitting like Communism_China_Biden_CNN.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/12/10/more-states-trump-campaign-join-texas-in-lawsuit-questioning-election-results/

36 posted on 12/11/2020 12:25:14 PM PST by fireman15
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To: fireman15

PDJT is not a lawyer. I have posted elsewhere about how his lawyers have been consistently misleading him.

And, unlike you, I hold Ted Cruz in low regard.

You don’t need to believe me now. Just wait until SCOTUS issues its ruling. And when it does, if I was right, remember what I said about all these phonies piling on with their briefs.


37 posted on 12/11/2020 12:32:51 PM PST by God_Country_Trump_Guns
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To: God_Country_Trump_Guns
PDJT is not a lawyer. I have posted elsewhere about how his lawyers have been consistently misleading him.

Judges at every level are very predictable in just one way. When it serves their purposes they will use whatever legal gymnastics that they need to to get to the ruling that they desire. I could give you so many examples and I am sure that you could as well.

In this situation the future of the Republic hangs in the balance; the cheating was beyond belief; Biden is completely corrupt and both he his running mate, and the Democrat leadership have vowed to crush the conservative majority on the Supreme Court through court packing at their earliest possible opportunity which could be just months away depending on how the Georgia Senate races go.

This court has an obvious incentive to rule in a certain way. I am sure that there are other cases that they would prefer to rule on, but this is a time sensitive matter and they will cobble together whatever legal argument that is needed to get past the current crisis. You do not write like a complete fool, so I suspect that you are well aware of how this works if you have any legal background or even observations in your past.

What is your purpose is here? Since you are a newbie who has been posting here less than three weeks... my guess is that you are a hostile troll whose only goal is to disrupt and demoralize those of us who have been here for decades. After the ruling on this case completely knocks the foundation out from under your sponsors... you will disappear and fade from our memories within a day or two...

eg.

“Remember the leftist newbie who named himself God_Country_Trump_Guns and then trash talked President Trump, his legal team, Ted Cruz, and everyone else trying to demoralize us?”

“No.”

“Neither do I.”

"What were we discussing again."

"I don't remember."

38 posted on 12/11/2020 3:15:05 PM PST by fireman15
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To: fireman15

So you’ve said your piece, and gained your peace.

Now, sit back and wait and watch the SCOTUS.

But if I am right, and if SCOTUS hands down a stinging rebuke of the lawsuit, remember this:

Today, (12/11/20) no GOP politician can afford not to pretend to take part in this lawsuit. (You agree, no?) So they are piling on, with much fanfare. But every single entity, party, or individual who piles on into this lawsuit, pretending to care about PDJT and his agenda, is fully aware that the lawsuit is frivolous, and is only deceiving us.

I can say a lot more, but let’s watch and wait. I suspect SCOTUS will grant cert, then issue TX a harsh denial.


39 posted on 12/11/2020 3:44:10 PM PST by God_Country_Trump_Guns
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To: MalPearce
Odd that the Texas suit is about four States not upholding the standards set in the Constitution, isn't it.

Or are you saying America spent trillions reinforcing democracy around the world despite not believing it was itself a democracy?!

Politicians were the ones saying America was a democracy.
Do you believe politicians?

What about when they can be shown calling America a Constitutional Republic when it suits their needs?

Pelosi Remarks Announcing Impeachment Inquiry September 24, 2019

Our republic endures because of the wisdom of our Constitution, enshrined in three co-equal branches of government, serving as checks and balances on each other.Dear Colleague on Republicans’ Desperate Attacks on Our Democracy December 11, 2020 Instead, Republicans are engaged in election subversion that imperils our democracy. See?
40 posted on 12/11/2020 7:21:17 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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