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A Lawyer’s Perspective: Sandmann Likely to Win Against Twitter, More
https://www.punditpress.com/2020/08/a-lawyers-perspective-sandmann-likely.html ^

Posted on 08/01/2020 11:23:22 AM PDT by therightliveswithus

Something rare just happened. A young person who doesn't follow the liberal orthodoxy defeated a major liberal news outlet. Two, in fact. How did these things happen following hours and hours of blistering news coverage? The case of Nicholas Sandmann and the resulting legal battle is one that scholars will be reading about and studying for decades. It might also be one that news organizations rue for even longer. I wrote about the topic on my legal blog and discussed some of the major cases of precedent prior to this one. While the government is restricted by law and precedent from most forms of libel protection, there are important elements for the common person. This goes double for individuals who are not in the public eye. Nicholas Sandmann was not a public official. He was not a public figure. The attention by the major media types attempted to make him into a national figure. However, he just wanted to go back to Covington high school and finish his studies. The media made this into a classic circus. This is troubling in many ways that I will discuss below. Even more important for Sandmann and for future aspirants in libel cases, there is a new precedent. One that will likely challenge the existing liberal media establishment.

(Excerpt) Read more at punditpress.com ...


TOPICS: Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: covington; covingtoncatholic; nicholassandmann; nicksandmann; sandmann
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1 posted on 08/01/2020 11:23:22 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: therightliveswithus

Mr. Sandmann, bring us a dream ! ;-D


2 posted on 08/01/2020 11:26:48 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Dear Mr. Kotter, #Epsteindidntkillhimself - Signed, Epstein's Mother)
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To: therightliveswithus

Go Nick go!


3 posted on 08/01/2020 11:32:29 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions: $1, Today's Special: Half Baked: 50c)
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To: therightliveswithus

Hope he takes every one of them down....


4 posted on 08/01/2020 11:40:44 AM PDT by Hambone 1934
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To: mylife

The indian must be pissed..All he got was 15 minutes of fame


5 posted on 08/01/2020 11:41:18 AM PDT by Hambone 1934
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To: therightliveswithus

Twitter is an editor. They remove things they say are incorrect. Therefore, everything the allow and refuse to shut down are just as though Twitter is a newspaper and published slander.


6 posted on 08/01/2020 11:43:07 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: Hambone 1934

Poor bastid


7 posted on 08/01/2020 11:45:21 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions: $1, Today's Special: Half Baked: 50c)
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To: DesertRhino

Sandman can also sue the Twitter posters.


8 posted on 08/01/2020 11:48:40 AM PDT by WASCWatch
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To: therightliveswithus

The one thing the liberal media does not understand is that this was a 16 year old man that went to a pro Life rally in Washington DC. That shows he is counter culture to today’s secular values plus he has a certain amount of moral strength. Then they went and attached him with falsehoods. Now this kid is pissed.


9 posted on 08/01/2020 11:51:13 AM PDT by Shark24
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To: therightliveswithus

I hope the Wall of Doctors follow the same lawsuit!


10 posted on 08/01/2020 11:55:30 AM PDT by silverleaf (Great Things Never Come from Comfort Zones)
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To: therightliveswithus

NICK SHOWS A LOT OF CLASS...........


11 posted on 08/01/2020 11:58:04 AM PDT by chopperk
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To: DesertRhino

L. Lin Wood needs to expand his practice bigly.

https://twitter.com/llinwood/status/1289595346184634370?s=21


12 posted on 08/01/2020 12:03:01 PM PDT by hardspunned (MAGA, now more than ever)
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To: therightliveswithus

thanks for posting. Good analysis.


13 posted on 08/01/2020 12:12:49 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: therightliveswithus

I’ve got to imagine that there is one defendant that Wood plans on taking to trial. Precedent needs to be set. I wonder who the lucky defendant will be.


14 posted on 08/01/2020 12:24:51 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: silverleaf

The lady doctor that gave the speech about HCQ being the best (nobody has to die) description has indicated she ha retained Lin Wood following the take down and slander of her and the doctors speeches.


15 posted on 08/01/2020 12:39:20 PM PDT by Afterguard (Deplorable me!)
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To: hardspunned

Sean Hannity and the McCloskeys have retained him.
Busy guy!


16 posted on 08/01/2020 12:57:37 PM PDT by GnuThere
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The publicly-traded social media platform proves without a shadow of a doubt that they do not have a "terms of service" implemented to curb threats. Twitter’s ‘rules’ or their ‘terms of service’ is only a front to ban conservatives, We’ve known this to be true all along — now we have proof.

CASE IN POINT After a selectively edited video of the Covington Catholic teens went viral on Twitter, verified, bluecheck accounts accused the minor teens of mobbing and harassing a Native American activist — the full video of what transpired proved this narrative to be a huge lie. *********

Verified accounts ran with the lie and called for the murder, physical assault and even sexual crimes to be committed against the children. These calls for violence against children clearly violate Twitter’s ‘Terms of Service,’ however they took no action against the accounts. Every single account is still up. *********

Twitter has taken no action against these verified bluecheck accounts even though they blatantly violated the terms of service. In fact, hundreds of people reported ‘House Shoes,’ a Los Angeles-based DJ who called for the Covington Catholic kids to be burned alive and Twitter said in a response that his tweets did not violate the rules. (Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...

This pattern and practice of making death threats proves that Twitter is not a common carrier; its executives should be liable for crimes committed using that service.

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On November 6, 2013, 70 million shares[101] were priced at US$26 and issued by lead underwriter Goldman Sachs.[102]

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On February 5, 2014, Twitter published its first results as a public company, showing a net loss of $511 million in the fourth quarter of 2013.[105]

On January 5, 2016, CEO Jack Dorsey commented on a report that Twitter planned to expand its character limit to 10,000 (private messages already had the longer limit as of July), requiring users to click to see anything beyond 140 characters. He said while Twitter would “never lose that feeling” of speed, users could do more with the text.[106] In September 2016, Twitter shares rose 20% after a report that it had received takeover approaches.[107] Potential buyers were Alphabet (parent company of Google),[107] Microsoft,[108][109][110] Salesforce.com,[107][111] Verizon,[111] and The Walt Disney Company.[112][113] Twitter’s board of directors were open to a deal, which could have come by the end of 2016.[107][114]

However, no deal was made, with reports in October stating that all the potential buyers dropped out partly due to concerns over abuse and harassment on the service.[115][116][117]

In June 2017, Twitter revamped its dashboard to improve the new user experience.[118][119]

17 posted on 08/01/2020 12:58:04 PM PDT by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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GREAT. - Personally, I hope that the courts make the LIARS in the press pay & pay & pay the young man until it HURTS them severely or even closes their “news” outlet forever.

Yours, TMN78247


18 posted on 08/01/2020 1:36:12 PM PDT by TMN78247 ("VICTORY or DEATH", William Barrett Travis, LtCol, comdt., Fortress of the Alamo, Bejar, F'by 241836)
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To: therightliveswithus

I suspect the news organizations are caving to prevent access to their emails from the DNC.


19 posted on 08/01/2020 1:41:43 PM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: therightliveswithus
As court precedent ,_primarily the unanimous 1964 New York Times Co. v. Sullivan decision,_ showed prior, there is a different bar between those in the public eye and those who are not. Sandmann's actions made him certainly the opposite of a public official. Donald Trump can't sue the New York Times (in most cases) for what they write about him. Sandmann can sue (and win) over whether or not the Washington Post or CNN send virtual lynch mobs against him.
The Sullivan decision justified itself with the assertion that
". . . libel can claim no talismanic immunity from constitutional limitations. It must be measured by standards that satisfy the First Amendment”
We all love us some First Amendment - but in reality that claim is poppycock. In fact, prior to 1964 no court had ever asserted that the First Amendment had any effect at all on libel law.

That is true for the same reason that 1A has no effect on pornography restrictions. Namely, the fact that the objective of the Bill of Rights was to guarantee, and reassure the public, that the Constitution did not change the rights of the people in any non-explicit way.

There was no bill of rights in the unamended Constitution for the simple reason that the Federalists assumed, and wanted the public to assume, just that - that the Constitution didn’t change anyone’s common law rights. When forced to insert a bill of rights into the Constitution by amendment, the Federalists did two things:

  1. In the first eight amendments they “enumerated” - did not claim to create but merely to articulate - rights, and only those rights, which had historically been denied by tyrants.

  2. In the ninth and tenth amendments, they asserted the principle that if the Constitution is silent about a right, the Constitution does not change that right.
Thus, the fact that the Constitution - First Amendment and all - is silent about pornography law and libel law means that common law principles prior to the Constitution apply to them. Nobody thought that laws against pornography or libel were exceptionable in 1788, and to have assayed to weaken those laws by constitutional amendment in that era would have been to invite a firestorm of controversy.

Libel and slander are violations of the Ninth Commandment, "

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour

and the weakening of legal strictures against libel or slander would have been opposed from every pulpit in the land. No such furor erupted, because the First Amendment was understood to preserve “the” freedom of the press - freedom as it already existed, and was limited, by libel and pornography restrictions.

Antonin Scalia understood and articulated that argument, and Clarence Thomas does so now.

The New York Times Co. v. Sullivan decision was unanimous, but that was a ruling by the notorious Warren Court. Absent the investiture of Antonin Scalia in the year before the decision, Morrison v. Olson could have been unanimous too - but nobody now would venture to cite it as precedent for anything other than the fact that eight SCOTUS justices can be wrong at the same time. Well, the Sullivan decision proves that nine Warren Court justices could be egregiously wrong simultaneously.


20 posted on 08/01/2020 1:41:48 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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