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Has China Really Claimed The Russian Port City Of Vladivostok?
Eurasian Times ^ | 07/04/2- | Eurasian Times

Posted on 07/06/2020 1:27:39 AM PDT by srmanuel

Do you get the feeling we are experiencing a modern day version of the 1930's all over again...

You have a resurgent China claiming territory on every front....first it was the South China Sea, then in the Himalayan Mountains along their border with India, now some in the Chinese Media are beginning to assert claims on the Russian City of Vladivostok.....

Hitler was insane to start a two front war, but China is engaging on at least 3 fronts as they move forward....

Certainly something to keep your eyes on the next few years....


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: china; energy; eurasiantimes; hydrocarbons; maga; meantweets; opec; russia; vladivostok
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1 posted on 07/06/2020 1:27:39 AM PDT by srmanuel
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To: srmanuel

Don’t forget Bhutan!


2 posted on 07/06/2020 1:35:45 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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I predicted years ago that the first numclear war would be between Russia and China.

Starts with China sending 10 million people to simply squatterize a big chunk of Siberia (Russia’s treasure house for the coming centuries) and the Russians will simply “cut the head off the snake” and obliterate Chinese political centers and military bases with nuclear weapons (probably EMP bursts first to knock the chi-coms for a loop).

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3 posted on 07/06/2020 2:05:56 AM PDT by elbook
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To: srmanuel

Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if President Trump has informed Putin that, in the event of Russia using nuclear weapons to devastate China, the US response would be a very stern letter.


4 posted on 07/06/2020 2:10:56 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: srmanuel

I suspect COVID 19 was the intentional step 1 of this aggression. Trump had them boxed in economically and they chose to fight.


5 posted on 07/06/2020 2:38:16 AM PDT by Galactica
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To: elbook

Russia stations all of its best troops, latest weapons and so forth on the Sino-Russo border. There is no way that any large number of Chinese will cross it, let alone millions.

Nuke was more likely these days between Pakistan-India or India-China than China-Russia. China would be utterly destroyed in such a conflict, either conventional or nuclear.

And China knows that.


6 posted on 07/06/2020 2:47:58 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

I wonder if this is still true....

China has built up this supposedly first rate military with all new weapons, fighters, bombers, tanks, etc.....

I get the feeling they think they can take on anyone...

In 1936 or 1937, people would have said, Hitler would be insane to take on Russia and the USA in a two front war, but he did it anyway, yes he was ultimately destroyed but it still happened.....


7 posted on 07/06/2020 2:59:14 AM PDT by srmanuel
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To: srmanuel

We are headed toward a bipolar world: the democracies and communist China. Russia and all the other neighbors of China are going to have to either be our allies or submit to China. This means Russia will have to “westernize,” as Japan did after WWII, and as India is in the process of doing right now. Westernizing doesn’t mean losing your national identity, at least not according to President Trump. We can be a world of nations, each secure within its border, who are engaged with each other in free and fair trade.

BTW did you hear Cuba is again facing a food shortage? Why is it that communist countries can’t even feed themselves?


8 posted on 07/06/2020 3:22:56 AM PDT by Redmen4ever (u)
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To: Redmen4ever
Why is it that communist countries can’t even feed themselves?

Very, very unlucky with the weather. The Soviet Union had this short but unfortunate problem with inclement weather and droughts from 1917 to some time in the mid 1990s.

(/s, just in case)

9 posted on 07/06/2020 3:35:12 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: srmanuel

When Russia and China start accusing each other of being “racist”, then everybody needs to start heading for the bunkers.


10 posted on 07/06/2020 4:40:48 AM PDT by cgbg (Masters don't want slaves talking about masters and slaves.)
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To: srmanuel

First rate how? Has this Chinese ‘first rate’ military even been remotely tested by a legitimate and competent military force? Other than some border clashes with India, they have not been tested, at all. Me’thinks this ‘first rate’ Chinese military is nothing more than a ‘beautified’ (having nice untested hardware) Chinese military follows nothing more than the old mass attack with sheer numbers doctrine it has always utilized?


11 posted on 07/06/2020 5:11:00 AM PDT by cranked
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I agree but the media tries to scare everyone that China is some type of invincible military that has these new high tech weapons capable of taking on anyone....


12 posted on 07/06/2020 5:37:59 AM PDT by srmanuel
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To: srmanuel

Yeah, they over-hyping is real, but until they are actually tested by a competent opposing military, they probably should not be underestimated either. I should have mentioned that within my first comment.


13 posted on 07/06/2020 5:49:02 AM PDT by cranked
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The CCP of China is trying to behave all across Asia as if it is the new Chinese imperium, and claiming anything any prior Chinese emperor remotely made claim to.

The current Chinese government has a map with a line - called the nine dash line - used by the present Chinese dictators to lay claim to islands and atolls all over the oceans around China.

The origin of the nine dash line comes from maps of the Chinese emperors. The lines on the map come from the travels of Chinese fishermen and traders. On return to China they would tell of where they had traveled and what they had seen. And on some occasions the emperor would put a pin on the map of the oceans around China, claiming the area the Chinese travelers visited as Chinese territory. In 99% of the cases, no Chinese military, administrator or official ever arrived at the point described and ever established any Chinese control of the land. One such atoll is located just 90 miles from the coast of Malaysia and more than 1,000 miles from any land of China. China just a few years ago sent an aircraft carrier to the ares of that atoll to officially remind Malaysia of its claim.

Another possible reason why the present Chinese emperors do not want to honor the treaty that placed Vladivostok in Russian hands is that it was made by the Qing dynasty, a Manchu (Manchurian) dynasty that had its ethnic pedigree in Manchuria, not from the Han Chinese. In fact, the Qing dynasty regulated the banishment of Han Chinese from parts of Manchuria and from what we now call Vladisvostok.

So, in addition to trying to restore the old imperium of the Chinese emperors, the Vladisvostok claim may also have something to do with Han Chinese resentment.


14 posted on 07/06/2020 8:19:25 AM PDT by Wuli (Get)
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They basically want to do what the Japanese tried to do during WWII, create the “Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere”


15 posted on 07/06/2020 8:20:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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*** China has built up this supposedly first rate military with all new weapons, fighters, bombers, tanks, etc... I get the feeling they think they can take on anyone...
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Well, it should be noted that Chinese senior generals & admirals seem to have a bad case of diahrea of the mouth. They’re righting checks their troops can’t cash. But I guess that in a non-democratic society that this is how you get ‘noticed’ for the next round of bureaucratic promotions. If that general gets a ‘bump’ it’ll signal that Dictator Xi likes what he had to say, and it is now semi-official policy for the Chinese Communist Party.


16 posted on 07/06/2020 8:20:47 AM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!)
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To: elbook
I predicted years ago that the first numclear war would be between Russia and China.

Red Dawn called it:

Jed Eckert:
Well, who *is* on our side?

Col. Andy Tanner:
Six hundred million screamin' Chinamen.

Darryl Bates:
Well, last I heard, there were a billion screamin' Chinamen.

Col. Andy Tanner:
There were.

17 posted on 07/06/2020 8:22:47 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Reminds me of Heinlein’s statement.

“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded—here and there, now and then—are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people.

Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or, as sometimes happens, is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as ‘bad luck’.


18 posted on 07/06/2020 8:26:24 AM PDT by hanamizu
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“They basically want to do what the Japanese tried to do during WWII, create the “Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere””

Yes, and as with the Japanese militarists, they are trying to do it for their selfish interests and using bullying tactics as did the Japanese militarists.

In the end it brought great harm to Japan as it will to China.

To go to the future China must escape it’s own past, not try to restore all of it under a different political mantle; a different political mantle by name, but sharing Chinese emperors ambitions.


19 posted on 07/06/2020 10:42:37 AM PDT by Wuli (Get)
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To: hanamizu
This is known as ‘bad luck’.

LOL! Thanks for posting. Excellent statement.

20 posted on 07/07/2020 2:08:39 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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