Posted on 07/02/2020 8:27:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Didn’t our CIA work with and equip the Mujahideen? I wonder to what extent we brought the death of Russian soldiers when they occupied Afghanistan. I am thus not surprised to hear that the Russians might have helped the Taliban against us.
Another good reason for us to get out
I saw another story claiming it was January 2010: Iran paying the Taliban 1000.00 for each dead American soldier.
Under Obama!
The anointed one should have told Putin to “cut it out.”
Jaimie Bondo also helped the Mujaheddin in one of his early films and doing a pretty blond at the same time.
[Didn’t our CIA work with and equip the Mujahideen? I wonder to what extent we brought the death of Russian soldiers when they occupied Afghanistan. I am thus not surprised to hear that the Russians might have helped the Taliban against us.]
I saw another story claiming it was January 2010: Iran paying the Taliban 1000.00 for each dead American soldier.
Under Obama!
This is peanuts compared to what the Russians supplied the North Koreans and North Vietnamese during conflicts in which 100,000 Americans died. The Russians also flew MiG's against US forces in both conflicts. North Korean T-34 tanks certainly weren't manufactured in North Korea. And in North Vietnam, the provision of hundreds of Russian tanks certainly greased the skids for the invasion of the South:
The northern leadership was taken aback during the summer of 1971, when an announcement was made that U.S. President Richard Nixon would visit the People's Republic of China, on a diplomatic mission before May 1972. The Chinese placated the suspicions of their ally, by reassuring North Vietnam that even more military and economic aid would be forthcoming in 1972. The Soviet Union, perceiving the growing antagonism between the People's Republic and North Vietnam, sought to widen the rift by also agreeing to "additional aid without reimbursement", for North Vietnam's military forces.[15][16]
These agreements led to a flood of equipment and supplies necessary for a modern, conventional army. This included 400 T-34, T-54 and Type 59 (a Chinese version of the T-54) medium and 200 PT-76 light amphibious tanks, hundreds of anti-aircraft missiles, including the shoulder-fired, heat-seeking SA-7 Strela (called the Grail in the West), anti-tank missiles, including the wire-guided AT-3 Sagger and heavy-caliber, long-range artillery. To man the new equipment, 25,000 North Vietnamese troops received specialized training abroad, 80 percent of them in the Soviet Union or Eastern Europe.[16][17] A contingent of high-level Soviet military personnel also arrived in Vietnam and stayed until March 1972 in preparation for the offensive.[18]
China was North Vietnam's secondary supplier, with the Russians being the principal. What did it take for China to become North Vietnam's secondary supplier, the low man on the totem pole relative to Russia? The following:
Military aid given to North Vietnam by China[3]:379
Year Guns Artillery pieces Bullets Artillery shells Radio transmitters Telephones Tanks Planes Automobiles 1964 80,500 1,205 25,240,000 335,000 426 2,941 16 18 25 1965 220,767 4,439 114,010,000 1,800,000 2,779 9,502 ? 2 114 1966 141,531 3,362 178,120,000 1,066,000 1,568 2,235 ? ? 96 1967 146,600 3,984 147,000,000 1,363,000 2,464 2,289 26 70 435 1968 219,899 7,087 247,920,000 2,082,000 1,854 3,313 18 ? 454 1969 139,900 3,906 119,117,000 1,357,000 2,210 3,453 ? ? 162 1970 101,800 2,212 29,010,000 397,000 950 1,600 ? ? ? 1971 143,100 7,898 57,190,000 1,899,000 2,464 4,424 80 4 4,011 1972 189,000 9,238 40,000,000 2,210,000 4,370 5,905 220 14 8,758 1973 233,500 9,912 40,000,000 2,210,000 4,335 6,447 120 36 1,210 1974 164,500 6,406 30,000,000 1,390,000 5,148 4,663 80 ? 506 1975 141,800 4,880 20,600,000 965,000 2,240 2,150 ? 20 ? Total 1,922,897 64,529 1,048,207,000 17,074,000 30,808 48,922 560 164 15,771
An account of the first GI's to deal with Russian tanks gifted to Vietnam, from the Tet Offensive:
In February of 1968, 12 Soviet-made PT-76 tanks supported by more than three battalions of North Vietnamese Army (NVA) infantry assaulted a United States Special Forces Camp near Khe Sanh. It was the first time that the NVA had used tanks against American or South Vietnamese positions in the war, and the defenders were ill-prepared for the circumstances.
Eight Green Berets and several South Vietnamese and indigenous soldiers were trapped in the base’s command bunker where they were subjected to grenade, tear gas, and high explosive attacks for a day while awaiting rescue.
Folks, I don’t like to see anyone or any country paying a bounty on our troops - in fact, I hate it with a passion. But you have to ask yourself, “What does war mean?” I will answer that rhetorical question - it means that people die (soldiers and civilians). BOTH sides kill people on the other side, whether they do it themselves, or whether they have a little help from allies - allies who are often allies only because they are getting something in return.
We, ourselves, are responsible for an awful lot of Russian boys going home in caskets from Afghanistan. Why wouldn’t Russia repay the “favor” at some later date? In fact, I remember in the 1980s that a lot of people said that we were justified in helping the Mujahadeen because the Russians had contributed to a lot of our losses in Vietnam. So WE were playing tit-for-tat. Of course, the Russians could have said that we Americans started it by sending an 8,000 man expeditionary force to Siberia to help fight against their revolution in 1918, in addition to 5,000 men sent to the Archangel area. So maybe Vietnam was the Russians playing tit-for-tat.
The reality is that war is a dirty business, and everyone is trying to win by inflicting casualties on the other side, in the greatest numbers and as quickly as possible. We should not be surprised at the Russians offering bounties on our troops (if it actually occurred), nor should we be stupid and take retaliatory actions right now (are we seriously going to mess with the second most powerful nuclear power in the world over a few of our soldiers, no matter how much it saddens and enrages us?”. But we should definitely remember it.
He probably sent a strongly-worded letter saying, “STOP! And if you don’t stop, then I shall say, “STOP!” again.”
We also sent over 10,000 troops to Russia during their revolution.
[We also sent over 10,000 troops to Russia during their revolution.]
Didn’t Obama pay out a bunch of something to get Bergdahl released? I may be misremembering.
Good post, Everyone should expect death and deception in every war. The thing about the bounty is that I find it easier to believe that support was given and no count was actually required. How did they claim the bounty? scalps? The fact is that there was very little I would imagine except appeals for more support and this could be in the form of cash.
So I am not worried about this rising to a campaign issue. The best we could do is get out of the countries that we don’t want these things happening in and the democrats and some never Trumpers seem to want us to stay engaged. Best establish the rules of engagement so that we can kill on sight (or even over the hill). And stop trying to to find fault with the President over this one
Color me skeptical. Anybody can claim anything.
bttt
So. I remember in Vietnam that a Big Red One shoulder patch gotten from a dead soldier would bring the V.C. a 100 bucks. That didn’t work either. Payback was not nice to see.
Saddam was doing this with Palestinians, right General Powell
They were Soviet soldiers, not Russians, and make no mistake, the Soviets are back in 1994 doing the same tricks, is more the case, still fighting an extention of WWII
Obama did nothing about it.
But remember, the intel community was divided on whether it was even happening.
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