Posted on 05/02/2020 8:15:10 PM PDT by CheshireTheCat
Usually CDC guess stats are 13000-80000 and they settle on the middle number. But they are free to fudge.
Or we’ve already crested
They never count all deaths. Once it reaches pandemic stage it is ALL a guess. That was their own admission in 2010.
Still in pandemic panic I see
Why is this a story, when the CDC spells out the differences in reporting? This is between when deaths are first reported, and those are deaths confirmed by death certificate. So there is going to be a delay in the reporting of those numbers.
I didn’t say I believed EITHER number.
I DID read the explanation for the numbers.
Apparently you did not or you wouldn’t have asked the question.
I haven’t trusted the CDC since 1991.
Reading comprehension != panic.
Sorry.
Dinesh should have read the whole webpage, not just the pretty chart/graph part.
As a matter of fact, it does.
Check out the graph at the bottom of this page. Move the slider along the time-scale. You’ll see that this whole complaint is bogus — at best it’s a product of poor reading skills and non-existent numerical skills. At worst, it’s deliberate, dangerous disinformation.
Acquire some literacy skills, and perhaps some numeracy skills, before you presume to tell those who actually possess such skills what to believe.
Most likely reason: one department didn’t tell the other department about the many thousands of fake coronavirus deaths on their list.
The SARS epidemic of 2018-19 was far worse for non-elderly populations, killing 1,800 children.
Hmmm.. 1-2 weeks and that equals about 27,000 DEATHS behind?
May _2 66385
Apr 18 39089
_______27296
It’s just basic math.
Excellent!
yes, CDC provide caveats on their page, but that is not the whole story.
ABC below looking for more deaths, however:
1 May: ABC: How accurate is the US coronavirus death count? Some experts say it’s off by ‘tens of thousands’
To get an accurate picture of the pandemic, US needs to test more of the dead.
By Dr. Mark Abdelmalek, Chris Francescani and Kaitlyn Folmer; Josh Margolin and Lee Ferran contributed to this report
The CDC first introduced a common code to list COVID-19 as a cause of death on U.S. death certificates on March 24, followed by formal guidance on April 3, but the guidance will take time to take root nationwide, experts said.
Beyond a shortage of testing that is forcing hospital officials to prioritize testing of live patients over the deceased, many hospital pathologists remain wary of conducting autopsies during the pandemic because of all that is still unknown about the coronavirus, according to ABC News interviews around the nation.
Even swabbing the nose of a corpse could potentially re-introduce the virus into the air surrounding the body, pathologists said — urging their colleagues to only conduct such testing in the proper settings.
One pathologist who spoke with ABC News on the condition of anonymity said a recurring theme online among prominent U.S. academic pathologists is that due to a limited, evolving understanding of how the virus spreads, shortages of personal protective equipment and limited autopsy rooms with appropriate precautions in hospitals, many pathologists “are scared to do the autopsies” for fear of being infected...
The final factor that undermines a complete COVID-19 death count, according to experts, is that many if not most of the people who have died had at least one additional underlying chronic medical condition that contributed to the deaths – particularly obesity, diabetes and hypertension.
But which factor actually caused the death?
“That’s the golden question: who died with COVID-19, and who died of COVID-19,” Williamson concluded. “That’s what we still don’t know.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/accurate-us-coronavirus-death-count-experts-off-tens/story?id=70385359
31 Mar: KMOV: Experts say autopsies too dangerous to perform on COVID-19 patients
by Lauren Trager
ST. LOUIS - Autopsies can help lift the veil on how viruses attack the body, but forensic examiners are discouraged from doing autopsies on people who died from COVID-19, according to some in the region.
“Really the recommendation is to avoid invasive procedures,” said Dr. Jane Turner a forensic pathologist and a former Medical Examiner in the St. Louis area.
She said autopsies are rarely performed on patients who die in hospitals, but adds performing an autopsy on COVID-19 patients is almost too dangerous to undertake.
“The autopsy procedure can cause the virus to be admitted into the air and can cause the virus to be present in the air for a few hours after the procedure,” Turner said...
Turner said many people do want to understand why younger, seemingly healthy people also seem to be seriously impacted by the virus, but an autopsy may not even be helpful to understand that.
https://www.kmov.com/news/experts-say-autopsies-too-dangerous-to-perform-on-covid-19-patients/article_b32ebf24-739e-11ea-9468-a3c753fb5ab1.html
Worldometer data, fully sourced, says that you're wrong.
That is very funny. I go on Freep EST late night and good stuff does dwindle! I am 24/7 Freeper.
headline makes you think lots of autopsies have been done, and being discussed in this article. not so. reality is: almost none are being performed. lots of medical detail for those interested, though:
23 Apr: Scientific American: COVID-19: What the Autopsies Reveal
By W. Wayt Gibbs, Steve Mirsky
Wayt spoke with experts at the Cleveland Clinic and the University of Washington who have performed these high-risk autopsies, very few of which have been done so far in the United States.]...
Earlier this month, researchers published the first English-language autopsy results on people who died after becoming infected with the novel coronavirus. The paper appeared in the American Journal of Clinical Pathology on April 10. It describes two interesting cases, both from Oklahoma...
WWG: The researchers concluded that Case 1, the 77-year-old man, had died from COVID-19, even though he had never been diagnosed with it...
WWG: Case 2 was different...
WWG: Instead, they found food particles and bacterial infection in the airway, clear signs of aspiration pneumonia. So Case 2 died with COVID-19, but he did not die of COVID-19...
WWG: Since early March, Marshall has performed more than a dozen autopsies of people who died after testing positive for coronavirus infection. She says the results of those autopsies have been submitted to a medical journal for publication but are still undergoing peer review.
Marshall says that the risk of infection that this virus poses has changed how they perform all autopsies, regardless of whether the person was suspected to have COVID-19 or not.
WWG: So has Marshall also found that—like Case 2 in Oklahoma—some patients are dying of something else but turning out to have coronavirus infection as well?
DM: “We have not. We have not had any unexpected positive results yet. It’s still a limited number, but of the probably 15 that we’ve done, we have not had a positive come back where we weren’t expecting it.”
WWG: And what about the finding from Case 1 in Oklahoma? Here in Washington, are most of the COVID-19 patients dying from more-or-less standard ARDS, or are the autopsies revealing evidence of the virus infecting and damaging other organs as well?...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/covid-19-what-the-autopsies-reveal/
Obviously for Billions of dollars, the best we can get from this goobermint agency is a wild guess plus or minus 50% accuracy.
I could make the same guess with greater accuracy for a buck. Obviously at least 50% of those Government Employees are truly Non-Essential.
Gisandata site says 2900+ today.
Dr. Raoult has just released THE EFFICACY OF CHLOROQUINE DERIVATIVES IN COVID-19: A META-ANALYSIS BASED ON THE FIRST AVAILABLE REPORTS
Very favorable for Hydroxychloroquine
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