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CHARGE by IMPLICATION: VA + NIH SPONSORED CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

"something that is closer to scientific fraud than reasonable analysis."
1 posted on 04/22/2020 6:28:32 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.

Great post!


2 posted on 04/22/2020 6:30:39 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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The (fraudulent) “study” conducted for VA & NIH and published yesterday + parroted by the MSM: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf


3 posted on 04/22/2020 6:33:21 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.

Nice!

See the post right before yours where Dr. Martenson takes them apart too.


4 posted on 04/22/2020 6:33:24 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Steven W.

thanks for the post. looks like our gov’t is trying to kill us again.


7 posted on 04/22/2020 6:36:29 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Steven W.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/htmlsandbox/


8 posted on 04/22/2020 6:39:40 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (MAGA!!!)
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To: Steven W.
deranged dr michael-fake phd-savage will be proud of this fake study.
9 posted on 04/22/2020 6:43:22 PM PDT by va22030
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To: Steven W.

Great analysis

Laura Ingraham just has an excellent portion of her show on this. She used this same article to refute the VA survey.


14 posted on 04/22/2020 7:22:22 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Steven W.

Laura Ingraham also did a segment on the subject of the “HCQ bad” test.

The press is giving advice that would kill people if followed.

AP included.


16 posted on 04/22/2020 7:26:18 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Steven W.

17 posted on 04/22/2020 7:33:17 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Steven W.

Outstanding rebuttal!!!! Thank you!


18 posted on 04/22/2020 7:35:00 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Unredact the 99 Collyer Report!!!)
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19 posted on 04/22/2020 8:31:41 PM PDT by bitt (Hell hath no fury like a scorned patriot.)
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To: Steven W.

These scientists are clearly anecdotal humans and should not be listened to. They need to report immediately to the nearest scientific re-education camp where they will be programmed with settled science.
Thank you.


20 posted on 04/22/2020 8:56:36 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Steven W.
Dr. Raoult's response to the VA study! This is exactly what I was hoping to read. I was sure he would have plenty to say.

Dr. Didier Raoult seems to be the current world authority in using HCQ+AZ to treat COVID-19. Since his widely publicized first study describing his success with the drug combo, Dr. Raoult has continued to treat patients, and has produced two additional studies. As of today, 3,039 COVID-19 patients have been treated at Dr. Raoult's institute. Among patients who received the drug combo for more than three days, there have been only 12 deaths. That is a statistic that the MSM seems determined to ignore.

Dr. Raoult has obtained excellent results with thousands of patients, while the VA doctors obtained poor results with a small number of patients. He is the ideal person to tell them what they did wrong:

These differences are most likely related to the fact that the patients had been intubated for some before receiving hydroxychloroquine in desperation. It is notable that this is unreasonable at the time of the cytokine storm, as it is unlikely that hydrochloroquine alone would be able to control patients at this stage of the disease.

Makes perfect sense. Don't use HCQ+AZ as a last resort! Start treatment early!

Here's the MSM's ideal hydroxychloroquine study: Administer HCQ+AZ ten minutes before patients are expected to die, then report that the drug combo failed to stop the deaths.

To their credit, the VA study's authors admitted that the increased case fatality rate among patients receiving HCQ was due to the severity of their disease, not the use of HCQ:

However, hydroxychloroquine, with or without azithromycin, was more likely to be prescribed to patients with more severe disease, as assessed by baseline ventilatory status and metabolic and hematologic parameters. Thus, as expected, increased mortality was observed in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine, both with and without azithromycin.
The MSM has ignored the above paragraph, so that Trump's HCQ could be blamed for the increased mortality.
21 posted on 04/22/2020 9:09:12 PM PDT by TChad (The MSM, having nuked its own credibility, is now bombing the rubble.)
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To: Steven W.

For those who don’t know the term that Dr. Raoult is talking about..

Lymphopenia (also known as lymphocytopenia ) is a term used to describe the state where you have a reduced level of a certain type of blood cell called a lymphocyte. Lymphocytes are one of three types of white blood cells (known as leukocytes) found in the blood


22 posted on 04/22/2020 9:17:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: Steven W.
***CHARGE by IMPLICATION: VA + NIH SPONSORED CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA***

Great rebuttal that explains how barbarian people hope they can cause enough people to die to achieve a political purpose. I have wondered, when I saw this anti-HCQ story, what the sample census was... in the face of thousands of successes!

You will remember, Steven W., my writing about the combination of HCQ and azythromycin. They each treat a different infective agent, one an antiviral and one an antibiotic. One obvious error highlighted in the story is to paint azithromycin as a cure for a virus; highly unlikely AND that would certainly require a sizeable doubleblind study over time. Naturally many people would die in the nonce - which seems to be the motive of the naysayers.

What kind of people are these? The initial joke of Trump Derangement Syndrome is turning out to be a clinical reality.

23 posted on 04/22/2020 9:46:06 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: Steven W.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/profile-of-rod-rosenstein-us-attorney-for-maryland/2011/09/29/gIQAfOTWYL_story.html

October 9, 2011

Correction: An earlier version of this article incorrectly identified Lisa Barsoomian’s occupation. She is a lawyer at the National Institutes of Health.

https://rawconservativeopinions.com/2018/09/13/leaking-like-mad-fbi-doj-msm-collusion-went-far-deeper-than-previously-known/

Now who is LISA BARSOOMIAN? Let’s learn a little
about Mrs. Lisa H. Barsoomian’s background.
Lisa H. Barsoomian, an Attorney that graduated
from Georgetown Law, is a protégé of James Comey and
Robert Mueller.
Barsoomian, with her boss R. Craig Lawrence,
represented Bill Clinton in 1998.
Lawrence also represented:
Robert Mueller three times;
James Comey five times;
Barack Obama 45 times;
Kathleen Sebelius 56 times;
Bill Clinton 40 times; and
Hillary Clinton 17 times.
Between 1998 and 2017, Barsoomian herself
represented the FBI at least five times.
You may be saying to yourself, OK, who cares? Who
cares about the work history of this Barsoomian woman?
Apparently, someone does, because someone out
there cares so much that they’ve “purged” all
Barsoomian court documents for her Clinton
representation in Hamburg vs. Clinton in 1998 and its
appeal in 1999 from the DC District and Appeals Court
dockets (?). Someone out there cares so much that
even the internet has been “purged” of all
information pertaining to Barsoomian.
Historically, this indicates that the individual
is a protected CIA operative. Additionally, Lisa
Barsoomian has specialized in opposing Freedom of
Information Act requests on behalf of the
intelligence community. Although Barsoomian has been
involved in hundreds of cases representing the DC
Office of the US Attorney, her email address is Lisa
Barsoomian@NIH.gov. The NIH stands for National
Institutes of Health. This is a tactic routinely used
by the CIA to protect an operative by using another
government organization to shield their activities.
It’s a cover, so big deal right? What does one
more attorney with ties to the US intelligence
community really matter?
It deals with Trump and his recent tariffs on
Chinese steel and aluminum imports, the border wall,
DACA, everything coming out of California, the
Uni-party unrelenting opposition to President Trump,
the Clapper leaks, the Comey leaks, Attorney General
Jeff Sessions recusal and subsequent 14 month nap
with occasional forays into the marijuana
legalization mix …. and last but not least Mueller’s
never-ending investigation into collusion between the
Trump team and the Russians.
Why does Barsoomian, CIA operative, merit any
mention?
BECAUSE….
She is Assistant Attorney General Rod
Rosenstein’s WIFE!

https://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/leaders/ncird.html

National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD)
Nancy Messonnier, MD

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/17/health/china-coronavirus-airport-screening.html

Jan. 17, 2020

Three U.S. Airports to Check Passengers for a Deadly Chinese Coronavirus
Passengers from Wuhan, China, will be screened at J.F.K. beginning Friday night, and in San Francisco and Los Angeles starting on Saturday.

“This is a serious situation,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said at a news briefing. “We know it is crucial to be proactive and prepared.”
But while there will probably be cases in the United States at some point, “we believe the current risk from the virus to the general public is low,” she added.

https://iotwreport.com/odd-coincidence-rogue-cdc-official-pushing-coronavirus-panic-button-is-rod-rosensteins-sister/

Odd Coincidence – Rogue CDC Official Pushing Coronavirus Panic Button is Rod Rosenstein’s Sister
February 26, 2020

CTH: Earlier today Dr. Nancy Messonnier, an official in the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), held a conference call with media and pushed a panic narrative around the Coronvirus that ran counter to the Trump administration.

What makes the statements by Dr. Messonnier even more interesting is the fact she is the only sister of former DOJ Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

Dr. Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (link) told reporters on the call:

“We are asking the American public to work with us to prepare for the expectation that this could be bad.” … “I understand this whole situation may seem overwhelming and that disruption to everyday life may be severe. But these are things that people need to start thinking about now.” (link)


24 posted on 04/22/2020 9:53:39 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Steven W.

Yes, this was reviewed last week and it was clear the ‘study’ was rigged for failure.

In the US, trials and studies are approved for funding by Fauci. Funding is implemented using federal account charge codes that hospitals and clinics can charge against. The codes are accompanied by referenced protocols to be carried out.

So the funding source also passes on the protocols (procedures and conditions).

The protocols are flawed and are written to skew toward deaths and mixed results.

This isn’t the only study/trial where results are rigged by protocol to discredit HCQ.


27 posted on 04/22/2020 10:02:19 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Steven W.

VA *****HOSPITAL*****

Can anyone say “NURSING HOME”?

Is there any other place where the outcome could be expected to be WORSE?

Nope, they didn’t make it. MUST BE THE DRUG. /s

“They were going there anyway” Arianna Huffington


32 posted on 04/23/2020 7:29:25 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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