Posted on 04/05/2020 1:08:19 PM PDT by Old Man From WV
Hi “Basket of Deplorables”, posting the same BS every day. 224mm Americans have an “underlying condition”.
Except for cancer, the fatality rate - the chance of dying in a given year - is less than 2% for all these conditions. For asthma the risk of death is zero. For hypertension the risk of death is .49%
The underlying conditions cited by the NYC Department of Health in Covid cases are:
“Underlying illnesses include Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, and GI/Liver Disease.”
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths-04052020-2.pdf
Diabetes https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/diabetes.htm
Lung Disease use stats for asthma
Cancer https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/common.html
Immunodeficiency https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4820073/
Heart Disease https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190131084238.htm
Hypertension https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db289.htm
Asthma https://www.lung.org/research/trends-in-lung-disease/estimated-prevalence-and-incidence-of-lung-dis-(1)/methodology
Kidney Disease https://www.cdc.gov/kidneydisease/publications-resources/2019-national-facts.html
Liver Disease https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/liver-disease.htm
US Population with disease
Diabetes 34,200,000
Lung Disease use asthma
Cancer 2,800,000
Immunodeficiency 165,000
Heart Disease 121,500,000
Hypertension 95,700,000
Asthma 22,500,000
Kidney Disease 37,000,000
Liver Disease 4,500,000
Total 222,665,000
Annual deaths from disease
Diabetes 83,000
Lung Disease
Cancer 606,000
Immunodeficiency 0
Heart Disease 647,000
Hypertension 472,000
Asthma 338
Kidney Disease 47,000
Liver Disease 82,500
Annual Death Rate
Diabetes 0.24%
Lung Disease see asthma
Cancer 21.64%
Immunodeficiency
Heart Disease 0.53%
Hypertension 0.49%
Asthma 0.00%
Kidney Disease 0.13%
Liver Disease 1.83%
So why do you post the same garbage about “all the covid deaths have an underlying condition” every day? Because you are a foreign agent, either Chinese or Russian, who wants Americans to die, perhaps?
Since most of those dying of covid are older and have preexisting conditions, no one other than Germany is taking the time to determine if covid was the actual cause of death rather than the preexisting condition being the cause and coincidentally the patient had covid. That is why Germany has the lowest mortality rate of covid patients in the world .8, less than 1%. I would think that the global mortality rate would be closer to Germany’s than Italy’s as Italy counts all deaths that have covid as a covid deaths in their numbers even if covid was not the actual cause
Is that you, Dr. Fauci?
Dispute this:
“The best immediate data breakdown that goes into all factors of coronavirus fatalities in the United States has been generated by New York City.
Since the beginning of the outbreak in February to April 2, the City recorded 48,200 cases, 9,700 hospitalizations (20% of total cases) and 1,397 deaths (2.8% of total cases).
70% of all deaths were patients over 65. Only 18 of the 1,397 fatalities were directly attributable to the coronavirus.
Of the balance (1,379) 75% had confirmed underlying conditions and 25% were waiting for confirmation of which pre-existing conditions were present. These conditions included: diabetes, lung disease, cancer, immunodeficiency and heart disease.
In Italy the death rate directly attributable solely to the coronavirus is 0.014% and in New York City 0.03%.
In Italy those over 70 account for 87 percent of overall deaths; in New York those over 65 account for 70 percent, (99% of whom in both Italy and New York had serious underlying conditions).
It is strikingly clear that older people with serious pre-existing conditions are at an exponentially higher risk.
Per the New York analysis, while there were 81 deaths among 17-45-year-old (5.8% of overall deaths) all but 5 had serious underlying conditions.
Nonetheless, the national fatality numbers being issued by the CDC lump all deaths as coronavirus if the virus was at all present when a patient succumbed.”
I’ll repeat the money quote:
“In Italy the death rate directly attributable solely to the coronavirus is 0.014% and in New York City 0.03%.”
‘So how long do you suggest be spent and what resources do you want committed to finding out if the actual cause of death was Covid-19 or stage 4 cancer?’
you do realize that the country has been placed in a near shutdown based on the alleged lethality of this contagion; if numbers are being cooked in order to inflate its danger, are you of the opinion the populace should not be aware of this...?
How about "Unless convincingly proven to be death by coronavirus, death will be assumed due to the major underlying cause." i.e. the guy had cancer, heart or kidney problems, etc.
Otherwise, some guy who was infected and hit by a car would be considered a coronavirus death.
“...And even if you test a corpse to prove they had Covid-19 that does not necessarily make the virus the cause of death. So, what’s the point of testing?”
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I’m assuming that your “question” actually meant as a real question. The medical examiner or hospital should only test a corpse if someone wants to list COVID-19 as the cause of death SOLELY UPON A PRESUMPTION that the deceased had COVID-19.
DATA ACCURACY IS PARAMOUNT FOR CORRECT DECISIONS NOW.
MAMA always said that ASSUMPTION IS THE MOTHER OF ALL “SCREW”UPS!
February to April 2, the City recorded 48,200 cases, 9,700 hospitalizations (20% of total cases) and 1,397 deaths (2.8% of total cases).
Last Monday, the NYC deaths were 790 (2.1% of total cases at that time).
As of yesterday, 5 days later, they were at 2254 (already having grown to 3.6% of fatal cases at that time).
Today’s figures are 3048 dead, which is 4.5% of cases.
As of yet, there are no recoveries reported for NYC, as it is still in that early climbing phase of the outbreak.
Do you not understand how numbers work?
Dividing dead by infected during the spread of the disease isn’t meaningful.
As example, using that methodology:
If you were to replace “Coronavirus” with “Ricin”, and inject 100 people with a dose which would kill 100% in a week, then every day double the number of people you give the injection, after one week you would have a fatality/injection ratio of 0.8% (100/12,700), for a 100% fatal toxin.
As you can see, the example shows that the methodology yields a low calculated “mortality rate” which is a result not of actual low mortality rate, but of the spread being so fast.
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Here’s a question about the Nordic/Germanic countries from 3/9:
“How is it that Germany has 800 cases and zero deaths? Other countries are similar. Norway, Sweden, hundreds of cases, no deaths.”
Germany has 1151 cases, no deaths, and only 18 recoveries.
Norway, 176 cases, no deaths, and 0 recoveries.
Sweden with 203 cases, no deaths, and 0 recoveries.
Finland, with 30 cases, no deaths, and 1 recovered.
Denmark, with 35 cases, no deaths, and 1 recovery.
They no longer look anything like that.
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One should not overemphasize the death rate, and make it more than it is - but one should not keep desperately pretending it is so much less than it is either.
you do realize that the country has been placed in a near shutdown based on the alleged lethality of this contagion; if numbers are being cooked in order to inflate its danger, are you of the opinion the populace should not be aware of this...?
Sorry, I don’t see your point. You cited death stats since last Monday which would be after the March 24th directive from the CDC to change the policy.
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I have been credibly informed that my back-of-the-napkin normal rate of deaths for NYC is well too high. I derived it from using the state death/day rate and using the proportion of the population that NYC represents giving a value of 202/day. More detailed information yields values of from 140/day to 165/day during a bad flu winter month, and for 2015 averaging over the whole year at 148/day.
So make my estimate to be underselling the difference by 36%. We’re now up to almost twice the average ‘normal’ death rate, just from the Wuhan Coronavirus. No amount of mis-categorization is going to make a significant change in an assessment of severity of COVID-19.
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