Posted on 04/03/2020 7:44:36 AM PDT by karpov
The types of jobs available before and after the Great Recession starkly differ. With the after-effects of the economic slowdown thanks to the coronavirus, the pattern could be repeated.
Many of the jobs usually held by less-educated Americans before the recession have disappeared, while workers with at least some college education disproportionately occupy growing industries, according to Georgetown University’s Center for Education and the Workforce (CEW). In their popular 2013 report “Recovery: Job Growth and Education Requirements Through 2020,” CEW concluded that around two-thirds of all jobs in 2020 would require some college education. CEW’s 2013 report is their most recent one and aggregates all the relevant education and economic data in one place.
But the extent to which employers are actually requiring more college education than in the past to fill good jobs isn’t so clear-cut. CEW’s methods for defining how much college education is “required” are hotly disputed. Moreover, employers often complain that college graduates are ill-prepared and don’t have the skills needed in the workforce. Graduates aren’t happy about how costly degrees have become, either.
Contrary to what advocates for requiring 16 years of education may say, there’s strong evidence that young people don’t always need a four-year degree. For many good careers, a shorter college program or even no college can set them on a good path.
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Just imagine if companies wanted to hire Eagle Scouts.
That’s a personality thing. It’s about Character. You don’t necessarily have to be a genius to be an Eagle Scout — you just have to be a really solid person.
Find a way to produce a nation of Eagle Scouts and then let the companies train them to do a job.
We need a moral nation, not an over-educated nation.
The path described is very popular in the IT and programming fields.
I’m an eagle scout, some college, no degree, and will be retiring in my mid 50s.
It all begins with the Duke Power VS Griggs ruling.
I’m at the point where I prefer to deal with people with no college degree, because the degree means their brains got scrambled with Communist indoctrination.
I’ve always struggled with this answer - some college, no degree. I’ve only an Associates Degree w/diploma (i.e. I didn’t finish college) But do I have a “degree” or not?
Contrary to what advocates for requiring 16 years of education may say, there’s strong evidence that... ....the advocates work for teacher unions, which also oppose academic standards for admissions, favoring instead admission quotas followed by tenured indoctrination.
Do the jobs require a college degree, a college education, or do the employers decide that they want to hire college graduates for certain jobs or training programs?
People coming out of America’s leftist puppy mills with degrees in sociology are not “educated” at all. They are propagandized.
Too many jobs today “require” a degree, but it’s really not necessary, nor does the job pay more...
“you just have to be a really solid person.”
Not the Eagle Scouts I’ve known. One is a massive drunk, another beat his wife until she divorced him, etc.
I have been relying for 30 years on IT industry certifications. When I ran into the HR “Wall” of non-degree discrimination, I decided to go back and get my degree. I am now down to the last semester and will have my degree completed in the next month or so.
I am tending to agree with the author’s premise here. When flooded with applicants, HR tends to use a degree as the first filter to narrow candidates. I have seen this on the hiring side as well.
I look for specific technical skills in hiring. Skills that are better assessed by industry certification. It took several rejections of candidates with degrees that Hr had forwarded to us before they changed their approach. They were SHOCKED to hear in a feedback meeting that degrees are just about worthless for evaluating technical skills.
I have a BS degree.
However, in my experience, most jobs require a degree because the HR department is too damn lazy to do their job. Unfortunately, there are enough people with degrees looking for work that it provides an artificial filter to shrink the pool so they have less work to do, but generally doesn’t filter so much they can’t fill the position with “some body”.
Most HR managers know nothing of the roles they are looking to fill. They merely check boxes based on the information given. Too often they fail to understand that they are a support function. And don't get me started on the damn engagement scores touted by HR.
In their defense, they can't know everything about all the various roles within an organization. Whenever a position needs to be filled, I only have HR act as a middle person (i.e., helping to get the role posted, sorting and making sure resumes go to the right hiring manager, doing a cursory sift of applicants, etc). It's up to the hiring manager to decide who gets spoken to on the initial discussion (conducted by HR), and what questions to ask. If the hiring manager can't accomplish that task; I either have the wrong manager, or the position isn't that critical that it requires filling.
No scout (just not happening back then),some college and in IT.
Make fairly good all things considered, retirement may not happen. Nearly destroyed during the time of the wun.
Wouldn’t be that dismissive. More importantly, where they chose to go to school says more about their character. Associates (frugal, more bang-for-buck), Undergrad (what does the school support), Graduate (Ivy league, no thanks).
Fortunately, they now can use a groundhog to tell them if they have the right applicant.
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