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Kel-Tec Sub 2000 Upgrade
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 3/13/20 | O Volk

Posted on 03/13/2020 6:51:22 AM PDT by w1n1

The story of this carbine goes back to 1997, when Kel-Tec introduced the Sub-9 carbine. In general, it was a conventional blow-back gun with the magazine inserted through the hand grip. Designed during the high-capacity-magazine-ban years, it used popular and available pistol magazines, but the Sub-9's claim to fame was its unusual folding form.

When folding or collapsible stocks were not legal, the Sub-9 worked around that concept by creating a carbine that folded in half at the chamber, halving its overall length for storage and transport.
The folding is initiated by pulling down on the back of the trigger guard, which allows the front of the gun to swing up and back eventually locking the front sight into a recess on the butt-stock.

In 2001, the machined aluminum receiver was replaced with a plastic clamshell, resulting in a lighter and less expensive Sub-2000 model, and since it was made to fit several makes of pistol magazines, in 9mm Luger and .40S&W, this carbine became extremely popular.
Kel-Tec Sub-2000Mk2 (Mark 2). An upgraded version of the Sub-2000 but very similar mechanically and incorporates many improvements that were requested by users but often supplied by after-market accessory makers.Read the rest of Kel-Tec Sub 2000 upgrades.



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1 posted on 03/13/2020 6:51:23 AM PDT by w1n1
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To: w1n1

I keep one of these in my laptop bag, so that I’m never under-gunned at my hotel when traveling. Mine’s in .40- has a surprising amount of recoil.


2 posted on 03/13/2020 6:58:16 AM PDT by TexasBarak (I aim to misbehave!)
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“I keep one of these in my laptop bag, so that I’m never under-gunned at my hotel when traveling.”

What type of hotels do you stay in?


3 posted on 03/13/2020 7:07:39 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: w1n1

Kel-Tec always comes up with really cool stuff... and then you can’t get the item because of production delays. Or maybe this has been my experience.


4 posted on 03/13/2020 7:08:13 AM PDT by Obadiah (Kill the deep state or lose the Republic.)
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To: TexasBarak

I am thinking an option for an under the seat truck gun???


5 posted on 03/13/2020 7:09:09 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: w1n1

I had a buddy with a first gen Sub-2000 and got to shoot it. It wasn’t able to go through a single mag without jamming. I hope it’s improved.


6 posted on 03/13/2020 7:09:10 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: TexasGator

I’m nor a badass with a Kel-Tec, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


7 posted on 03/13/2020 7:10:10 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Norovirus survivor; Hey Coronavirus - Bring it!)
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To: TexasGator

Perhaps you should consider fewer vacations to downtown Baltimore and downtown Philly.


8 posted on 03/13/2020 7:10:42 AM PDT by Obadiah (Kill the deep state or lose the Republic.)
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To: real saxophonist

Not, not nor...


9 posted on 03/13/2020 7:11:18 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Norovirus survivor; Hey Coronavirus - Bring it!)
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To: Obadiah; TexasBarak

Redirect: Perhaps you should consider fewer vacations to downtown Baltimore and downtown Philly.


10 posted on 03/13/2020 7:15:15 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator

:-) Thanks.


11 posted on 03/13/2020 7:17:35 AM PDT by Obadiah (Kill the deep state or lose the Republic.)
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To: w1n1

Another friend of mine just got the Ruger 9mm breakdown carbine and we’re going to shoot it next month. I’ll be interested to see how it performs. I support having a carbine the same caliber as your sidearm.


12 posted on 03/13/2020 7:18:22 AM PDT by circlecity
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A nice accessory for the Sub-2000 is a Red Lion rotating handguard, which allows you to run a red dot but retain the ability to fold the rifle in half.

As it comes out of the box, if you attach any sort of optic to the top rail, you cannot fold the weapon.


13 posted on 03/13/2020 7:44:03 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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I have had a soft spot for pistol caliber carbines for years, preferring trapper-length .357 leverguns until my eyes finally said NO to iron sights.

Of all the "non-AR type" 9mm PCCs out there right now, the one I prefer is the Ruger PC with the standard stock and the aluminum "rail" fore end. The one I really want to like but just can't is the Beretta CX4, mostly because of its grotesque trigger. The Hi-Point is crypto-Soviet Block in appearance and as lively in the hands as a fence post, but functionally it is not bad except for the crappy magazines.

The Kel-Tec is great in theory and clever as hell, but those around me seem to break parts; if the V2 version is better in that regard, I might be tempted to go back in those waters again.

14 posted on 03/13/2020 7:47:38 AM PDT by niteowl77
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To: TexasGator

Welcome to the Continental, Mr. Wick...

15 posted on 03/13/2020 8:01:01 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Yo-Yo

The new integrally suppressed sub-2000 uses Glock magazines and has the rotating handgard/suppressor so that optical sights are practical.

Much pricer at about $1200, but that includes the suppressor (not the $200 NFA tax).


16 posted on 03/13/2020 8:14:06 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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I meant to include this link.
17 posted on 03/13/2020 8:14:58 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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For reasons beyond my comprehension, Kel-Tec offers the Sub-2000 in both a Glock 17 and a Glock 19 configuration.

I find the Glock 19 version the most attractive, since the Glock 19 must be the most popular version of the 9mm Glock, and you can of course use Glock 17 magazines in a Glock 19 sized firearm.

The Glock 17 version may give you a bit more handgrip room, but limits you to only Glock 17 and Glock 18 magazines.

18 posted on 03/13/2020 8:27:20 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: circlecity

Ruger 9mm breakdown carbine and we’re going to shoot it next month.
= = =

I think you will LIKE it.


19 posted on 03/13/2020 8:36:41 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (This is not /s. It is just as viable as any MSM 'information', maybe more so!)
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To: w1n1

I had one of these years ago. Its a great gun, but if you have a beard, sometimes some of your hair gets ripped out by the reciprocating charging handle on the underside when the gun is fired. Be careful.


20 posted on 03/13/2020 8:43:04 AM PDT by Clarancebeaks
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