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1 posted on 01/05/2020 4:32:12 AM PST by NOBO2012
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Get an iMac. I have three of them and never have a problem. They're all easy to use and, if you buy Apple Care, you can get a tech on the phone to fix anything that's not hardware-related.

Some people might disagree, but the only people I know with computer problems, run Windows OS. They're always cussing at them.

2 posted on 01/05/2020 4:40:42 AM PST by HotHunt (Been there. Done that.)
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The only HP laptops that aren’t trash are the Elitebook series.

https://store.hp.com/us/en/mlp/laptops/elite-352503—1

If you want a laptop that lasts, and is better built than a macbook, Dell’s XPS is that. Next in reliability are the Dell precision and lenovo thinkpad X1 and T line.

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/overview/cp/linuxsystems

Stay away from Acer, Asus, and Chinese brands.

The amount of absolute garbage sold as laptops and chromebooks these days are overwhelming. They cheap out on networking modules, ram modules, all the way down to the bios which was programmed by some illiterate Indians sweating to death on a boat offshore.


4 posted on 01/05/2020 4:52:46 AM PST by JFoobar
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I stopped using HPs in the late 90’s. Went Mac in 08 and never looked back. Yea, you’ll pay more up front, but they last and they work.


6 posted on 01/05/2020 5:02:06 AM PST by AFreeBird
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It’d be nice if I had a 50-year-old car instead of a 2-year-old, because it’d be simpler to fix...but that’s a rant for another day.
I’ve had HP computers since I was 5 years old. Never had a problem with any of them. The XP still works, so does the 7 and my two Windows 8 laptops. I can’t stand Windows 10 but those things work fine too. All mid-priced except for one fancy souped-up Windows 10 I got recently.
Bought an Acer once. It lived about five weeks.


8 posted on 01/05/2020 5:10:42 AM PST by Buttons12
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I was also very unhappy with the last HP I got. The hinges tore away from the frame twice. I replaced them myself, but the construction is far too flimsy: After the second time I reinforced the stress points and so far so good.

Regardless, my next new system will be a Lenovo or a Dell, HP has gone downhill, which is a shame. My previous system was an HP which I still have; It’s 9 years old, and refuses to die. So it was relegated to a multimedia system, which it performs admirably.

Apple earned my ire by going to their nasty little trick of soldering everything (Including the hard drive) to the mainboard.


11 posted on 01/05/2020 5:38:03 AM PST by ferret_airlift
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It’s a machine controlled by a program. Both are made by humans who don’t understand how the human mind works and fail miserably at trying to replicate it.

When a computer fails, it has no idea that it has failed.

Computers don’t think. Computer programs should not be given life/death decisions.


12 posted on 01/05/2020 5:39:55 AM PST by I want the USA back (If free speech is taken away, dumb and silent we are led, like sheep to the slaughter: G Washington)
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re: hp computers - I totally agree, I'll never buy one again. Right now I have two:

My company gave me one (a laptop) to stay connected at home. It is agreeably light, sleek, good screen and decent keyboard. (I haven't found a laptop yet with a good keyboard) However, it suffers from the same malady that seems to strike all hp computers: it is relatively slow. Now, this one is a step up from the previous one. (can you say "tech refresh"???) Overall it is not too bad, almost snappy. However, if you look at the spec sheet it *should* be a screamer. It's like looking at the spec sheet for a Ferrari, then driving it and realizing you got a V-6 Camaro. Or maybe the Camaro with the small V-8, automatic, and too tall of gears.

I believe (and so does my IT systems guru at work) it is because of fundamental system design choices hp makes. (he digresses into memory bus width, wait states, chipsets, interconnect schemes...) This could be related to your driver problems. When a manufacturer goes out on their own, or uses oddball components, the drivers in the OS may not get as much attention as mainstream parts.

My other hp is a personal laptop purchased for my wife a few years back. She loved it for about 2 weeks, then hated it so much she went back to Macs and has never looked back. It was originally loaded with Windows 8.0 or 8.1. The user interface was kind of cool and new at first. Then it got increasingly annoying. (yes that is an OS issue, not a hardware issue, read on) Couple that with a touch screen that seemed to make it's own fingerprints, and a touchpad that seemed to have developed a mind of it's own... After she went Mac I inherited it. I wiped it and put KDE Neon Linux on it. It boots slower than any other machine I currently have. Win 8.x was glacial - a big part of my wife's frustration, you never really knew when it was finally completely booted up and ready (?) for user input. The really old Sony Viao laptop it replaces for me (PCG 61A12L circa 2010) boots MX Linux in about the same time. Heck, even the $45 Raspberry pi 4B I just got boots raspbian about as fast. I did end up adding Win 10 to a partition on the hp. I honestly don't remember why. I haven't "needed" to use it in at least a year. But it is there, our token Windows machine in the household. Oh, and in contrast to the newer company laptop, this hp is neither agreeably light nor sleek. Well, at least under KDE neon I can auto-disable the touchpad when a mouse is connected.

I consider the Raspberry pi an indication of just how much computers have improved. A 4 core, 64 bit computer with dual 4K HDMI, USB 2.0 & 3.0, WiFi and Gig-ethernet...for $35 at the entry level??? If it wasn't for processing GoPro video and a couple of other things... This pi setup I am experimenting with does 95% of my computing needs with a total investment of about $150. Most of that is in the 4 TB hard disk I got to fool around with.

I consider the "impeachment" fiasco and the 'rats actually saying nice things about Iran an indication of just how bad they've gotten. Well, we've known they have been un-American and anti-American for some time. (decades) They've just gotten more and more public about their true motives and ideals.

15 posted on 01/05/2020 6:00:44 AM PST by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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It’s probably important to identify the common element in all of those computer problems.

The user.


17 posted on 01/05/2020 6:02:19 AM PST by PAR35
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The author needs to clearly state “Windows computers” - since those of us who run Linux or OS/X don’t tend to have these kinds of problems.


18 posted on 01/05/2020 6:06:42 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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My wealthy clients who NEED Windows now have Macs running Windows 8.1 via the software Parallels.

Bulletproof operation.

Have three of ‘em here at home (one running W7).

Expensive? Yes.

When I show up to a conference and have to provide two presentation computers I cannot have a ‘windows is updating’ screen for an hour or more before the computer is ready to ‘go to work’


20 posted on 01/05/2020 6:13:52 AM PST by BBB333 (The Power Of Trump Compels You!)
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The problem is the MOTUS user, not the HP computer.
I owned several, HP is flawless.

The user is the problem.

MOTUS blog is telling the reader never to buy a reliable Toyota because they run out of gas once a week. You must educate yourself about the product, otherwise you give bad advice and it reflects badly on MOTUS reputation.

Notice he never said,
1) the exact problem is
2) the solution was

This is typical negligence of authors.
Which is why so many hated Trump. They lack wisdom.

We are not responsible for your ignorance.

23 posted on 01/05/2020 6:21:45 AM PST by TheNext (Universal Skeptic)
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Been working with PC’s since the Coco and TRS-80 Model 1.

Used to build Windows boxes for fun and to sell to friends.

Was the IT guy for a 4 server, 32 workstation network that hosted its own online data portal developed through Topspeed/Clarion.

Then it came time to start my own company.

I warted to be focused on serving my customers, not messing with the computers. I researched it and Mac had, by far, the lowest total cost of ownership.

We now have two Mac Mini’s, a Mac Pro, two iMacs, two MacBook Pros, and three iPads all networked and functioning together seamlessly.

We have to have two Windows PC’s in the mix. One to run our DTG printer and one to host Quickbooks. We use VMWare Fusion on some of the Macs to run Quickbooks.

Guess where I spend 99% of my IT time? Yep, the Windows machines.

I used to hate Macs with a burning passion. You couldn’t tinker with them, they were expensive, they were incompatible. When I grew up I realized that tinkering with my computers was not getting my real work done. My time is money and the couple hundred extra to spend on a computer that wouldn’t have driver conflicts, that wouldn’t break down regularly, that easily networked, that had far fewer security concerns, was the better choice.

What’s funny is that when you dig down deep into those who really like their Windows boxes, you usually find an adolescent gamer who is more concerned that Mac won’t run Call of Duty, or Assassin’s Creed, or whatever their flavor of digital heroin is.


24 posted on 01/05/2020 6:21:53 AM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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In my experience with computer fatalitites it is usually an AMD processor that goes kaput.

The Intel stuff may not be the fastest, but it is relaible. I am on an 11 year old Dell XPS right now.


25 posted on 01/05/2020 6:27:39 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Life is about ass, you're either covering, hauling, laughing, kicking, kissing, or behaving like one)
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Sounds like a bunch of PrimaDonnas.

Very few folks NEED cutting edge computing power. Few folks NEED specialized hardwzre for truly unique processing. I would bet that more than 98% of Freepers fall into this group.

Win PCs and Chrome books are crazy cheap. Lots of smart phones can, nearly, double as computers. So store your stuff on the cloud and dont worry about it.

Access from anywhere, with anything by any means.

Of course, back up, back, back up.

But dropping thousands on hardware to email grandma makes no sense.


35 posted on 01/05/2020 7:00:26 AM PST by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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I usually keep an eye on remanufactured computers... models that have a good reputation... on Ebay. I periodically buy one, rip out Windows and install some version of Linux/Ubuntu. If you really think you may need to preserve Windows functionality you can dual-boot.

It doesn’t solve basic driver problems like the ones that you’re having. Those could be from cheap components that HP has chosen, BTW.

I’ve been a Dell user for years, but my next computer will not be a Dell.


43 posted on 01/05/2020 8:49:33 AM PST by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!))
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44 posted on 01/05/2020 8:57:17 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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