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The Aircraft Carriers of the Great Lakes
https://www.history.navy.mil/ ^ | 6/25/2013 | Mikoyan

Posted on 11/27/2019 4:54:37 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?

The US entered World War II with 7 Aircraft Carriers and by the end of the war would have several times that. It's one thing to build ships, it's another thing to train the men that would eventually fly off those ships. So the US built some ships which would serve that purpose and that's where we come in.

In March of 1942, the Navy purchased the steamer and started to convert her into an aircraft carrier. She was designated as IX-64. IX is the designation used by the Navy for ships that aren't otherwise classified. She was named the Wolverine because she would operate mostly in Lake Michigan and Michigan was known as the Wolverine State. She was commissioned on August 12, 1942

She was fitted with a 550 foot long deck constructed with douglas fir and began her job as an advanced trainer in January of 1943. She would operate out of Naval Air Station Glenview (in Illinois) and served to train carrier pilots and landing signal operators. She and her sister (the Sable covered next) were not proper carriers by any stretch. Neither had a hangar deck or flight elevators. So if a plane crashed, training would end for the day. Also, because of wind over deck (the speed of the wind over the deck) minimums for some of our advanced planes were higher than some of the prevailing winds on Lake Michigan, training would be halted for days at a time. But they still got the job done.

(Excerpt) Read more at michiganexposures.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; glenview; greatlakes; illinois; lakemichigan; michigan; navy; usn; usnavy; wolverine; ww2
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1 posted on 11/27/2019 4:54:37 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
Interesting fact I didn't see in this article (although it may be in there somewhere:) Both the Wolverine and Sable were coal fired side wheel ships, making them the only side wheel aircraft carriers.

There have been a few wrecked WWII Navy aircraft recovered from Lake Michigan and restored. The cold, fresh water was great for preserving the metal.

2 posted on 11/27/2019 5:02:16 AM PST by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: rlmorel

3 posted on 11/27/2019 5:04:02 AM PST by Chode (Send bachelors and come heavily armed.)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

American ingenuity. How ‘bout that.


4 posted on 11/27/2019 5:08:03 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again".)
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To: Yo-Yo

Yep. It was do to a conversation about recovered Navy aircraft that I got the link to this blog.


5 posted on 11/27/2019 5:10:44 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (# of takeoffs = # of landings)
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To: Chode; Yo-Yo

Excellent...interesting article, thanks for the ping and the additional info.

I never knew she was a side-wheeler...:)


6 posted on 11/27/2019 5:11:11 AM PST by rlmorel (Finding middle ground with tyranny or evil makes you either a tyrant or evil. Often both.)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

Great story!


7 posted on 11/27/2019 5:11:30 AM PST by Howie66 ("...Against All Enemies, Foreign and Democrat..... & ERIC CIARAMELLA")
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To: Psalm 73
I read the whole article but I don't get the part about the minimum winds for advanced aircraft.

"Also, because of wind over deck (the speed of the wind over the deck) minimums for some of our advanced planes were higher than some of the prevailing winds on Lake Michigan, training would be halted for days at a time."

8 posted on 11/27/2019 5:19:15 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (# of takeoffs = # of landings)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

Yet, Michigan is a “perfect” place for windmill farms. Right


9 posted on 11/27/2019 5:21:04 AM PST by cyclotic (Democrats must be politically eviscerated, disemboweled and demolished.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Interesting fact I didn’t see in this article (although it may be in there somewhere:) Both the Wolverine and Sable were coal fired side wheel ships, making them the only side wheel aircraft carriers.

Interesting. Paddlewheel carriers not have been very fast, but as they were used for trainers, it would have been fast enough.


10 posted on 11/27/2019 5:23:01 AM PST by Flick Lives (MSM, the Enemy of the People since 1898)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

I would assume that for such a short take off, that the aircraft required a significant relative wind speed, which includes the actual wind speed plus the ship speed, and the ship was not fast enough to reach that speed all on its own.


11 posted on 11/27/2019 5:24:57 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton; cyclotic
Just my defense of the mitten showing.
Entirely correct lepton, Enterprise (CV-6) was over 800 feet long and could do 33 knots. Not sure of the 500 foot side paddle speed, but Bob-Lo was a day long trip.
12 posted on 11/27/2019 5:51:57 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (# of takeoffs = # of landings)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

Yea, it was day long if you include ten hours at the amusement park. The Boblo boat ride was only 90 minutes.


13 posted on 11/27/2019 5:53:40 AM PST by cyclotic (Democrats must be politically eviscerated, disemboweled and demolished.)
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To: Yo-Yo

PBS series Heroes on Deck. 35 to 40 WWII aircraft have been recovered from Lake Michigan.

https://www.heroesondeck.com/


14 posted on 11/27/2019 5:53:45 AM PST by UB355 (Slow Traffic keep right)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

Bookmark


15 posted on 11/27/2019 6:23:24 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog.)
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To: UB355

Thanks


16 posted on 11/27/2019 6:29:37 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (# of takeoffs = # of landings)
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To: Flick Lives

Yes they were only trainers but more than enough to keep Canada in line. :)


17 posted on 11/27/2019 7:08:54 AM PST by xp38
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

The winds over the deck were higher than the stall speed of the planes meaning the airspeed would be too fast for the planes to actually land on the deck.


18 posted on 11/27/2019 8:58:49 AM PST by dis.kevin (Dry white toast)
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Isn’t that backwards? The article says that the plane’s minimum wind speed over deck was higher than the prevailing winds. The winds on the deck were lower than the stall speed.


19 posted on 11/27/2019 11:24:46 AM PST by damper99
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To: SunkenCiv

*ping*


20 posted on 11/27/2019 12:33:46 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Dear Mr. Kotter, #Epsteindidntkillhimself - Signed, Epstein's Mother)
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