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Leonard Cohen's 'Democracy"

Posted on 11/02/2019 9:17:10 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET

Just heard it on the radio. This time it was Bob Segar's version. Both are leftists but it's a powerful song, one that can be quite captivating. The one problem line is where Cohen writes he isn't left or right. He is wrong. But then even a righty can get into it. Please post it if you can

Taking off till Monday. Enjoy the weekend folks.


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To: Kriggerel

Cohen was a well known anti-communist... He mocks them in Beautiful Losers, he escapes from them in Cuba, and he carries a gun into dangerous places. The guy was NOT a liberal wimp:

https://i1.wp.com/allanshowalter.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/chelsea22.jpg?w=700&ssl=1


21 posted on 11/02/2019 11:06:08 AM PDT by GOPJ (Ted Kennedy killed a girl and they had no problem defending him. - - Tucker Carlson)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Newest song from a group never released.... it’s amazing...

https://smarturl.it/LeonardCohenHTTH


22 posted on 11/02/2019 11:07:31 AM PDT by GOPJ (Ted Kennedy killed a girl and they had no problem defending him. - - Tucker Carlson)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

No thanks— Cohen, his entire career was a boring depressogenic and depressed suicidal folkie, with monochromatic voice the male equivalent of “one note samba with a chipmunk’s vibrato” Stevie Nicks, minus the vibrato.

Democracy leads to the tyranny of the mob— always has, and the Founders knew this— abhorred the term and concept, as the “democracy of the Monarchists”- which is what our dhimmocrats and a good part of GOPe trough eaters actually are— the elite status quo ante, with “spawn” they want to inherit to “eat out our substance” (in the words of the Decl. of Independence). The anglophile world socialists and marxist-— to their “manner” born. Nope not having any of it.

Remember: “Democracy Dies in Darkness”... and these 60’s dead people’s memes are helping pump up the depressed darkness. Drunks and stoners and pissed off loners, and pussy hat make believe “revolutionaries” who would be the first to be shot in the Bolshevik “fundamental change”. The first ones see: SRP in the October Revolution (they had a shooting war with the NKVD, and lost and were executed— all of them- one did get a shot at Lenin that eventually brought him down, but she has been re-evaluated as a Stalin asset, whom he shot to cover that up).

For confused catholics, though, will recommend taking the time to watch “Monsignor Quixote” (Alec Guinness, Leo Mckern) Graham Greene’s novel, filmed in Spain— reflection on matters such as life after a dictatorship, Communism, and the Catholic faith. Because, until the world is rid of the current jesuitical Marxist Pope and his cabal (clearly Nanzi Pelousi’s guiding light and fake confessioner), the globalists will continue their quest.

Monsignor Quixote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNKkllQWbqA


23 posted on 11/02/2019 11:09:25 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: corkoman

Once he banked all of his liberal marxist generated royalties-— sure, would believe it.


24 posted on 11/02/2019 11:10:28 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

bkmk


25 posted on 11/02/2019 11:12:37 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a Simple Manner for a Happy Life :o)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
Sussane was about his long tome Norwegin girlfriend who paid his bills and promptly dumped her saying she was bad for hi. Something to that effect.

Not true.......She was a very close friend who was married to an artist Cohen knew in Montreal........

As has been explained by a number of music scholars, “Suzanne” is Suzanne Verdal, the beautiful, free-spirited wife of an artist Cohen knew in Montreal during the early 1960s, a time when that city was an epicenter of bohemian culture in North America. Like the song’s character, Verdal did indeed feed Cohen “oranges that come all the way from China”; together, the pair savored the dazzlingly beautiful view, offered by Verdal’s waterfront apartment, of the St. Lawrence River. Other details proffered within the song speak to a romantic longing that, seemingly, remained unfulfilled: “And you want to travel with her/and you want to travel blind… for you’ve touched her perfect body/with your mind.”

“I was the one that put the boundaries on that,” Verdal told CBC reporter Paul Kennedy in 2006, adding, “Somehow, I didn’t want to spoil that preciousness, that infinite respect that I had for him… I felt that a sexual encounter might demean it somehow.” The hunger two gifted and beautiful people have for one another illuminates the lyrics, giving them a spark that seems to resonate from the inside. On a human level, the song is about the mysterious forces that bring people together and, then, just as inexplicably, move them apart. Undoubtedly, “Suzanne,” as a work of art, must be taken on its own terms, but Verdal’s own story demands attention as well; it is, in effect, the story behind the story, the real-life experience that can be found, if we are willing to peel back the song’s layers. Retaining her bohemian identity, Verdal went on to travel the world, going from Montreal to France to Texas, and, finally, by the early 1990s, to Los Angeles, where she worked as a choreographer.

26 posted on 11/02/2019 11:14:02 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: x

You mean the Dylan who wrote about “Peace has come to Zimbabwe” and thus helping install the MONSTER Mugabe, who destroyed the breadbasket Rhodesia... that bob dylan, and the role model for Marxists in S. Africa who are stealing Zulu land at the same time as Boers. Can thank the English, and of course DeBeers for all that, and dylan too— all of those tiresome english lit majors.

And recently chrysler ads during the Super Bowl. What a freaking waste of time— theft of folk song melodies, ripped off prose. Fooled every one of them. 16 cylinder Marxist and globalist.


27 posted on 11/02/2019 11:15:21 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: dead; Kriggerel; hardspunned; DIRTYSECRET; corkoman; Fiji Hill; lee martell; Robert DeLong; ...

This is a recently released Cohen song - found among the many he didn’t feel was ready for release. It’s amazing and YES, ready for release:

https://smarturl.it/LeonardCohenHTTH


28 posted on 11/02/2019 11:16:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (Ted Kennedy killed a girl and they had no problem defending him. - - Tucker Carlson)
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To: lee martell

Yeah, Judy could sure have used “pitch correcting” software that keeps Taylor Swift... a “singer” star.... sheesh.

Liked collin’s treatment of folk ballads, particularly “ Lake Isle of Innisfree” as irish tunes have melodies easily carried even for limited tonal singers (exception being true tenors).


29 posted on 11/02/2019 11:17:43 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: GOPJ

Well maybe— a latecomer.... like John Lennon who voted for Reagan.

The Left hates these guys, btw.


30 posted on 11/02/2019 11:19:22 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: John S Mosby
You mean the Dylan who wrote about “Peace has come to Zimbabwe” and thus helping install the MONSTER Mugabe

No, the other Dylan.

31 posted on 11/02/2019 11:47:19 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Youth, speed and energy can always be overcome with experience and treachery.)
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To: GOPJ

Fantastic song! Thanks, can’t believe I missed that!


32 posted on 11/02/2019 12:14:09 PM PDT by dead (Trump puts crazy glue on their grenades and they never know it until after they pull the pin.)
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To: dead

It was released a few days ago... and yeah it’s fantastic...

https://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/happens.html

“Now the angel’s got a fiddle
And the devil’s got a harp
Every soul is like a minnow
Every mind is like a shark
I’ve opened every window
But the house, the house is dark
Just say Uncle, then it’s simple
What happens to the heart”

______________-

I’m betting the angel with the fiddle is Charlie Daniels... the women who was ‘trouble from the start’ was the mother of his children... He made the point in several interviews that he wrotes about real people... sees himself more as ‘a journalists’...


33 posted on 11/02/2019 12:26:57 PM PDT by GOPJ (Ted Kennedy killed a girl and they had no problem defending him. - - Tucker Carlson)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
What is he singing about?
It can't be America.
America is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.

This thread sure does illustrate how ignorant (uninformed) many are
regarding what America's true form of government actually is.

34 posted on 11/02/2019 1:02:25 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: GOPJ
Thanks for posting, never saw it before. But then again, I only have two of Cohen's CD's.....

The best way I can explain his music is that it's his poetry set to music...........

35 posted on 11/02/2019 1:10:32 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: John S Mosby
No thanks— Cohen, his entire career was a boring depressogenic and depressed suicidal folkie, with monochromatic voice the male equivalent of “one note samba with a chipmunk’s vibrato” Stevie Nicks, minus the vibrato.

We're honored to be in your audience........Such a music afficionado very seldom comes along that can properly explain to us why artists such as Leonard Cohen are worthless......Thank you

36 posted on 11/02/2019 1:14:04 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: philman_36
What is he singing about? It can't be America. America is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.

This thread sure does illustrate how ignorant (uninformed) many are regarding what America's true form of government actually is.

Give us a F'n break, based on your comment, you're the ignorant, holier than thou who has decided to inject politics into a Leonard Cohen song.

So come on SMART GUY, change the lyrics of Cohen's "Democracy" to incorporate your "Constitutional Limited Republic" then get back with us..........

Let's try this and tell us how it sounds:

Democracy A Constitutional Limited Republic is coming to the USA It's coming through a crack in the wall

How does that work for you dude?.............LOL!

37 posted on 11/02/2019 1:29:16 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I'm in the cleaning business.......I launder money)
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To: John S Mosby
You mean the DylanDylan who wrote about “Peace has come to Zimbabwe”

I think that was Stevie Wonder. Dylan wrote about wanting to go to sunny Mozambique. That may not have turned out very well for Mozambique, but I don't think you can blame Mugabe on Dylan.

I mean the Dylan who said admired Barry Goldwater. He might have been joking, but he was a very complicated guy. He was certainly an admirer of Woody Guthrie, and was hardly a conservative, but not an orthodox, true-believing leftist by any means.

38 posted on 11/02/2019 1:46:01 PM PDT by x
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To: x

Yep— Steve Wonder— who is a real musician. And his song is Master Blaster.

Dylan held and promoted a Zimbabwe concert and political push for it.

Dylan is still alive and a lot of his “fans” have left him long ago. He’s written a few good songs.. but the Noble Prize-— that did it for most people, and the jacka@@ wouldn’t accept it in person... wrote a letter to be read. Took the money though— a commonality of socialists/marxists— always pinching the money and demanding higher sums. Can’t exist without capitalist/freemarket investment and hard work which they will never do—as they sing the praises of the Laborers— they screw (sorry, a little realitypoetry). See the moron and bigot/racist Eliz. Warren. 52 trillion dollars for a healthplan that would take more than all the capital in the country and in people’s pockets. A Lunatic.


39 posted on 11/02/2019 2:13:06 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Hot Tabasco

You are quite welcome— especially since you’ve no idea (and will not be enlightened as to how) where the knowledge and commentary comes from— suffice to say it’s from real musicians (super pros and well known). Generally they all try not to argue taste-— can’t win the “tin ears”, and the drug fueled marketing of the old music days.

Sorry he lost his dollars— but that’s the business of music, writ large by socialist grabbers like obamaumao and his mobster pals. Certainly might be a reason for “seeing the light” against socialist collectivism of intellectual rights. Good day.


40 posted on 11/02/2019 2:18:49 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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