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To: mumblypeg

Individually. Union coercion is organized thuggery. You’re a flipping idiot. We’re done.


73 posted on 10/29/2019 5:22:46 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog

All employees are not in organized unions, but all individual employees absolutely DO have the right to join together and organize to negotiate collectively.

Sometimes they do so on a one time, one issue basis, within an individual workplace, without necessarily incorporating as a permanent union.

And *you* do not have any right to tell them they can’t.

I’ll agree that union *bosses* —nowadays especially— operate in their own interests and, often as not, are in cahoots with management and politicians, with little regard for the employees they’re elected to represent.

What you may not understand is that unions now have gone so far left, they’re representing the “internationale” instead of American employees.
One such union in my region conspired with management to buy out the entire workforce & move the plant to Mexico, which crashed the local economy.

I’ve worked in a big city Union shop where the union sold us out by making absurd demands for more paid vacation, sick leave, plastic surgery, AIDS coverage, etc.
NO employer can stay in business paying 250 staffers NOT to work 2 months per year, while having to hire temps to come in and work in their absence.
What we needed were moderate cost of living increases— which management agreed to!! But “our” union “negotiated” us right out of our jobs!!

So I’ll agree with you up to a point, some unions are rotten. But not always. The basic idea, when correctly implemented, is a good one.

I’ve also worked in rural areas where the entire local economy is dependent on one major non-union facility whose owner hires & compensates “at his leisure” and regards any request for a pay raise as a firing offense, since an army of unemployed waits in line.

The wages are typically around $300-400 a week — at best.

The housing is cheap relative to major cities, but still requires half to 2/3 a month’s pay.

This equation is acceptable to the illegal aliens who are being mainstreamed into the economy, encouraged to remain illegal indefinitely, hired by the employer who gets richer off their cheaper labor— and they are given priority for subsidized housing.
So— no, you don’t understand economics and you are an elitist who looks down your nose and blames and stereotypes the hardest working & least rewarded Americans as bums who are too stupid & lazy to do any better, and “thugs” if they try.

Furthermore, employees are expressly forbidden to discuss their wages with coworkers; that’s also a firing offense.

The employer I’m referring to routinely pays his under 30 y.o. unmarried friends higher wages than divorced women with children, married men & women over 40, and blacks.

This situation is all too common in certain areas of the country.

Your first response is, nobody’s forcing them to stay there-
when in fact that’s where their families and mortgages are, and the local wages are so low overall, they cannot possibly sell their homes.
*You* tell them to beat it. Go get another job— when there aren’t any more in that town, and any payraise in the next town will be wiped out by the commute costs.

Then you concede grudgingly perhaps *you* might allow them to ask for a raise, but only individually, and when they’re fired anyway for asking, suck it up.
*You* won’t allow any employees comparing notes, or getting together telling *you* what to do with *your* money.

Funny how you keep insisting the employer’s money is your money, while at the same time you keep confusing employees with the government that is conspiring to deprive you of it.

Funny how you accusing me of telling others what to do, while you’re telling everybody else what you wont allow— because you think they’re the government.

You’re a wacky guy. LOL.

Here’s a clue: without employees, an employer would not have a dime. It’s their labor that produces the wealth, and it’s their excess labor that produces the profits.

Please reread, and try to comprehend, the previous paragraph. Now hold that thought, then try to plug the square pegs into the square holes in the following analogy:

Your overall argument is essentially akin to hollering the serfs have no right to challenge a politician. ‘Cause it’s the politician’s hard earned money, to do with as he pleases, eh?

Here’s more reiteration you may continue failing to comprehend:

When all of the employees in a given workplace are forced to choose between unemployment or starvation wages + foodstamps,

And-—
when subgroups within that workplace are forced to accept arbitrary discrimination in order to have any employment at all, while the employer accrues *additional* unearned wealth from doling out unequal wages that he forbids employees even to talk about,...

those employees ABSOLUTELY have the right to discuss their wages with one another, and to negotiate as a group, to walk out, to impress upon the employer that without their labor he cannot prosper.

They absolutely DO have the right to form a union if they choose to do so —and I am NOT telling anyone they MUST do so, nor am I remotely suggesting I’ll do it for them.

I’m saying slaves need to get off their butts and act on their own behalf instead of expecting the government or white people or Warthog to help them.

Just as it is the citizens’ right to redress against an unjust government.

And *you* don’t have the right to tell them they can’t.

But I’m sure these things will be totally misrepresented by you, due to that reading comprehension thing.


74 posted on 10/29/2019 9:59:25 PM PDT by mumblypeg
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