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Trump border wall threatens archaeological sites in Arizona
Axios ^ | 9/16/19 | Orion Rummler

Posted on 09/17/2019 6:47:26 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

Unrecorded archaeological sites within Arizona’s Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument could be destroyed by President Trump's border wall construction, according to a newly public National Park Service report obtained by the Washington Post.

The big picture: Customs and Border Patrol plans to finish construction through the Arizona International Biosphere Reserve by January, according to the report. Construction began on Aug. 29. The Trump administration told Axios in August it expects to build 450 miles of wall by the end of 2020 — but was unable to say when it would add its 1st mile of new wall to a border area without pre-existing barriers.

Details: The Trump administration aims to replace all existing vehicle barriers and pedestrian fencing along the monument's southern boundary with a 30 foot tall steel bollard fence, undergirded by an 8–10 foot concrete and steel foundation, according to the report, conducted in June and obtained by a Freedom of Information Act request from the Washington Post.

What they're saying: According to the report, archaeologists with NPS' Intermountain Region Archaeology Program and Southern Arizona Support Office say they "must assume" that all buried and unrecorded archaeological deposits within the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument "will be destroyed over the course of ensuing border wall construction."

“We feel very strongly that this particular wall will desecrate this area forever. I would compare it to building a wall over your parents’ graveyards," Tohono O’odham Nation chairman Ned Norris Jr. told the Post.The Nation is one of at least a dozen Native American tribes that describe cultural and historical connections to the lands within the Arizona monument.


TOPICS: Local News; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; buidthewall; fakenews; illegals; immigration; trump
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To: Impala64ssa

Once the fence is up they won’t be toilets anymore.


41 posted on 09/17/2019 7:34:40 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Impala64ssa

Oh no!


42 posted on 09/17/2019 7:35:18 PM PDT by MountainWalker
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To: Impala64ssa

Tell ‘em they’re sites which might prove Europeans arrived in North America before the Indians and they’ll disappear pronto.


43 posted on 09/17/2019 7:41:28 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: Impala64ssa
The layer of artifacts closest to the surface is most likely the former belongings of the evil Indian tribes that wantonly slaughtered the Indian tribes, whose belongings are buried deeper still.

If it is right to desecrate Confederate artifacts, then we should get moving with this wall in order to desecrate the artifacts of those evil Indian genociders.

44 posted on 09/17/2019 7:51:51 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Impala64ssa

Predictable. Cue the liberal judge to step in.


45 posted on 09/17/2019 8:03:49 PM PDT by robel
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To: mylife

Bingo!
The Tribes are as Dirty
As The Cartels!


46 posted on 09/17/2019 8:23:41 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: Impala64ssa

Take a picture and/or move the items. They would probably be safer inside anyway.


47 posted on 09/17/2019 8:28:00 PM PDT by madison10
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To: rightwingcrazy

oh that’s coming I’m sure0- “The steel from the wall is reflecting heat back towards the erff- heating nearby land, causing animals to die by the millions”


48 posted on 09/17/2019 8:32:27 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Fungi

“Unrecorded archaeological sites”

Sort of like that “if a tree falls in the forest” scenario.


49 posted on 09/17/2019 8:37:02 PM PDT by willk (A bias news media is not a free press.)
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To: Impala64ssa

“The actual border between Sonora and the US through the Arizona Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument is 44 miles. Okay, send the corp of engineers down there, dig up the miles and find the so called treasures they are guessing are there and place a gate there using electified fencing and razor wire since this is such a tourist area on the south side of the hole. This way they get their assumed treasures, the US border security is established, and the monument is fully used and secure. Win/win.

Oh, the attraction to the park are the cactus that grow above ground. Once considered the “most dangerous national park,” the reserve southwest of Tucson was largely closed to tourists from 2003-2014, following the death of a park ranger who was killed while pursuing a drug cartel hit squad. The park’s notorious reputation persisted for years, thanks to the large amount of human and drug trafficking that occurred in its 517 square miles, 94 percent of which is designated wilderness. Increased border security and patrols have made the park more attractive to visitors since then. So let’s finish the job.

rwood


50 posted on 09/17/2019 8:39:31 PM PDT by Redwood71
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To: Impala64ssa

I’m supposed to give a crap about old bones and broken pottery shards in an Arizona desert while illegals are flooding into my country? BS!


51 posted on 09/17/2019 9:13:02 PM PDT by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?)
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To: Impala64ssa

This is the biggest load of rubbish I’ve ever read. Who shives a git about archaeological sites? I’m more worried about those moths that are afraid to fly up over the wall to get into Mexico because they are afraid of heights.


52 posted on 09/17/2019 9:39:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (You can vote your way into socialism but you have to shoot your way out of it.)
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To: Impala64ssa

This tribe is the place drugs and illegals come through the border. They leave water out for the illegals. There are warning signs of danger if you travel in the Pipe Organ N P due to drugs and illegals. Give me a break about artifacts.


53 posted on 09/17/2019 9:54:05 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier
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To: Impala64ssa

Here’s how such situations are handled in the bay area of Kalifornia, and no doubt many other construction area’s that are likely to contain some sort of “Native record” since they were prime habitat for centuries.

The VERY FIRST piece of equipment on site is a big earth compactor.
Only after the ground has been throughly compacted (Pulverizing any “Artifacts) does any digging begin.
If anything at all turns up the Archeologist are called, as required by law.
They look at the fragments and write an official report that nothing of significance is present at the site and work resumes right away.

With the wall I’m certain the compactor is not being used.
So the area NEAR the wall can be explored later, to fill the archeologist personal collections the storage spaces of local museums.


54 posted on 09/17/2019 10:09:24 PM PDT by Ex gun maker. (Unconstitutional "Law" is void from inception.....)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

How many of those clothes were sent to Central America from yellow “Planet-Aid” bins—filled by Americans?


55 posted on 09/18/2019 12:48:21 AM PDT by Does so (To continue in English, press 2...)
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To: Impala64ssa
Oh noes 😱😱😱
56 posted on 09/18/2019 12:57:01 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the cloudsi)
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To: Impala64ssa
I thought it was the butterflies.

There was never any concern about these sites being endangered by refugees trampling over them.

What makes them "archaeological?" It's probably just relics from migrants from 1,000 years ago. Clay water jugs, plates, etc.

Nothing historical, just old and broken.

-PJ

57 posted on 09/18/2019 1:02:41 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Impala64ssa

“Unrecorded archaeological sites...”

Kind of tough to give a crap about them if no one thought they were even worth recording.


58 posted on 09/18/2019 2:11:13 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: Impala64ssa

We do not know where they are but they must be exactly where they plan on building the wall.


59 posted on 09/18/2019 3:57:24 AM PDT by pas
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To: Impala64ssa

True idiocy. “If” any archealogical sites are found, they will be carefully excavated and recorded, just as is done BY LAW with ANY excavation work. Once the extent of the site is determined, the barrier will simply be routed around it.


60 posted on 09/18/2019 9:08:47 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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