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The Ideal Conceal IC380 Cell Phone Pistol
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 9/5/2019 | F Jardim

Posted on 09/05/2019 7:59:22 AM PDT by w1n1

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To: FreedomPoster

There used to be a leather wallet designed to hide a little .22 (Beretta I think). You could shoot the pistol still in the wallet.

Not much of a pistol, but it had 6-7 shots and seemed the ideal “mugging cessation tool”, as you could simply be getting out your wallet as directed.

Wonder if they are still around.


21 posted on 09/05/2019 8:54:32 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Orange is the new brown)
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To: w1n1

I went another route. I bought a Bull Pup cell phone holster.
I carries my BG .380 perfectly on my belt. Magnetic closer. Love it.


22 posted on 09/05/2019 8:54:33 AM PDT by Rannug (When you're dead, you're dead. Until then fight with everything you have.l)
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To: Ex gun maker.

“Hmm, ATF proclaimed “Wallet Holsters” that alter the shape of a hand-gun to be “NFA” items.
Then refused to allow them to registered, at a cost of $200 each.”

Ahah. See my previous post.


23 posted on 09/05/2019 8:55:12 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Orange is the new brown)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Another non-infringement.


24 posted on 09/05/2019 8:58:16 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Ex gun maker.

They look to be still around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpPTCdHsbyU


25 posted on 09/05/2019 8:58:59 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Orange is the new brown)
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To: Hieronymus

It fits in your pocket in a sleeve holster like a wallet. No one sees it unless you pull it out.


26 posted on 09/05/2019 8:59:09 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: gaijin

Seems to have room
for a LASER,
or I’m dreaming.

If the cost was
around 200,
It could be a Hit.


27 posted on 09/05/2019 9:02:56 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: FreedomPoster

Baretta Pico,
Interesting.


28 posted on 09/05/2019 9:05:30 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: George from New England
So after you unload the magazine into a perp, do you use the same device to call 911?

No, that would be the 1911-style Conceal Cell Phone pistol.

Empty your 1911 you don't have to call anybody...everybody within half a mile will come a-running.

lol

29 posted on 09/05/2019 9:13:44 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey

Absolutely Positively
CORRECT!
.
LMAO!


30 posted on 09/05/2019 9:20:32 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: Ex gun maker.
Hmm, ATF proclaimed “Wallet Holsters” that alter the shape of a hand-gun to be “NFA” items. Then refused to allow them to registered, at a cost of $200 each.

If part of the firearm is exposed, then the wallet holster is not an NFA device and is legal without a stamp.

Example of a legal wallet holster:


31 posted on 09/05/2019 9:34:19 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Calvin Locke

“in a Telecom Dictionary, it mentions the Mossad successfully rigging a terrorist’s cellphone (c. 1990) with plastic explosive.”

A literal meaning to the term his “phone blew up”.


32 posted on 09/05/2019 9:39:43 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Vaquero
Nice. My LC9 is not much bigger.

I have one of those too. My wife carries a 32 that is slightly smaller than the LCP but only very slightly. I have a bodyguard that is not much bigger than the LCP but the LCP just feels better in the hand.

33 posted on 09/05/2019 10:10:01 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: Yo-Yo; Ex gun maker.

Wallet holsters and hidden guns are $5.00 tax stamp as an AOW, not $200.00


34 posted on 09/05/2019 11:28:21 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Quit calling them liberals, progs, socialists, or democrats. Call them what they are: COMMUNISTS!!!!)
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To: w1n1

Interesting. What does carrying an IC380 do with regard to CC laws? If your state has open carry then I assume its no problem to carry this cell phone looking gun around in the open. If you normally carry CC and your CC privileges are dependent from the Sheriff on your not brandishing, then if you carry this open but no one notices are you violating your CC agreement? If you are holding your IC380 ‘phone’ in your hand, is that the same as if you are waving around a typical handgun? Lots of legal and practical questions to be thought through.


35 posted on 09/05/2019 11:39:36 AM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: Rebelbase

More like he received a call that really blew his mind.


36 posted on 09/05/2019 11:47:36 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: DCBryan1

IF ATF deems it an AOW and not an SBR.
But it’s moot in any case as the manufacturer I am remembering was not allowed to register the product as either.
Yet other manufacturers are able to sell essentially identical products.
Got to love such “Equality under the law”. /S


37 posted on 09/05/2019 11:50:47 AM PDT by Ex gun maker. (Unconstitutional "Law" is void from inception.....)
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To: cpt jack 1

This summer I saw a (no holster) full-size 1911 (or VERY similar in outline) in the front pants pocket of a workman in the Capitol Building of a very gun-friendly state. I don’t know how you can draw that quickly from a pocket, but if he has time to deploy it, he will have the best gunfighting tool around when needed. I was tempted to ask some questions, but he was working hard and I also didn’t want to stray from what I was doing.


38 posted on 09/05/2019 12:38:12 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Pollster1

One can only pray that dude doesn’t have a round in the chamber. Really, really bad practice to not have your loaded handgun in a proper holster when carrying in public. For numerous reasons.

But, yeah, a well-made 1911 is a marvelous machine of shooting goodness!


39 posted on 09/05/2019 12:43:45 PM PDT by Spruce
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To: DCBryan1
Wallet holsters and hidden guns are $5.00 tax stamp as an AOW, not $200.00

You are not entirely correct.

A wallet alone is not an NFA item.

A handgun alone is not an NFA item.

When you put the firearm into the wallet, you have manufactured an AOW, and before you can put the firearm in the wallet, you must apply for an ATF Form 1 and pay $200.

Once you receive your $200 stamp, you can legally "manufacture" your AOW by putting the firearm in the wallet.

Now you can transfer that legally-manufactured AOW wallet and firearm to another person for $5.

ATF explanation of the process:

https://www.atf.gov/file/56386/download

ATF has received numerous inquiries regarding wallet guns and wallet holsters.

As defined in section 5845(e) of the National Firearms Act (NFA), the term “any other weapon” includes certain concealable weapons. Various types of disguised weapons such as cane guns, belt buckle guns, and briefcase guns (with remote control firing mechanisms) fall within the “any other weapon” category. It is unlawfil to make, possess, or transfer such firearms without complying with the provisions of the NFA.

During the 1970’s, ATF determined that various small handguns combined with certain “wallet holsters” fall into the “any other weapon” category and are subject to the provisions of the NFA. These wallet holsters are generally rectangular in shape, are designed to disguise the appearance of the handgun, and are designed to allow the weapon to be fired while it is contained within the wallet. The handgun combined with the wallet holster constitutes an NFA firearm.

A conventional pistol or revolver which is possessed without the wallet holster would not be an NFA firearm. A wallet holster alone is not subject to NFA controls and cannot be registered or transferred as a firearm. Firearms contained in conventional holsters, trouser pockets, purses, gun cases, or various other forms of carrying cases have not been determined to fall within the definition of an “any other weapon,” even though it maybe possible to discharge a firearm while it is carried in such a manner.

In order for an individual to lawfully “make” a wallet gun, that is to say, acquire both the handgun and the wallet holster, the person must first submit an Application to Make and Register a Firearm (ATF Form 1), pay a $200.00 making tax and receive approval of the application. The serial number appearing on the handgun should be used to register the firearm. Transfer of a wallet gun requires an approved transfer application and payment of a $5 transfer tax. A transfer will not be approved unless the wallet gun has been registered to the transferor.

Mere sale or possession of the wallet holster without the handgun is not a violation of the NFA. However, 18 U.S.C. section 2 provides that a person who aids or abets another person in the commission of an offense is also responsible for the offense. Therefore, sale or distribution of a wallet holster with knowledge that it will be used to make an unregistered NFA firearm may also place the seller or distributor of the holster in violation of the NFA.


40 posted on 09/05/2019 1:23:03 PM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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