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TIANANMEN SQUARE AND HONG KONG: THE SAME SHOWDOWN [UPDATED]
Power LIne ^ | 09/04/19

Posted on 09/04/2019 4:18:06 PM PDT by Liberty7732

So says Claudia Rosett, writing in the Wall Street Journal. She should know. She has been present for both.

It’s true that the two showdowns are 30 years apart and arise in different venues. But in both cases, China’s control of a major city was challenged by a population seeking freedom. In the first case, rather than give in to legitimate demands, the Communist Party resorted to guns and mass violence. In the second, it’s preparing to do so.

In Hong Kong:

[T]he millions of protesters. . .have been doing the world a heroic service. Like their predecessors at Tiananmen, they are exposing on a world stage the brutality of the Beijing regime. From the only place under China’s flag where there is any chance to speak out, they are shouting the truth, day and night, in the streets and from the windows—while they still can.

(Excerpt) Read more at powerlineblog.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: china; hongkong

1 posted on 09/04/2019 4:18:06 PM PDT by Liberty7732
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To: Liberty7732

Great article. Powerline’s alexa ranking is ahead of RAT underground.


2 posted on 09/04/2019 4:19:59 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: Liberty7732

“She should know. She has been present for both.”

Quite the logical fallacy.

Always nice to start off an article like that.


3 posted on 09/04/2019 4:21:47 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Liberty7732

You should cite the author when posting. Paul Mirengoff.


4 posted on 09/04/2019 4:25:28 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Liberty7732
Will this concession, absent the freedoms China promised Hong Kong in 1997, be sufficient to take the steam out of the protests? Perhaps.

The answer is no. The bill has not been formally withdrawn but only told it would be withdrawn later on.

Also, protesters have stated 5 demands and are not backing down until all are met. This means more protests this weekend including at the airport in which they have managed to shut down a few times already.

It may get ugly here long before it gets any better.

5 posted on 09/04/2019 4:35:20 PM PDT by teacherwoes (Indoctrination is often done under the shadow of a ballot)
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To: teacherwoes

I have absolutely no doubt that Xi Jinping would do exactly the same things that his predecessors did. Tiananmen II in Hong Kong would be far worse.

Would the world do anything substantive about it? No. There would be lots of tough talk and condemnations but in the end, nothing would change. The world would keep buying products made in the PRC and the PRC would continue as it has for the last few decades. Same old, same old, unfortunately.


6 posted on 09/04/2019 4:55:27 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: Liberty7732

“Under Mr. Xi, Chinese communism is completing its evolution into a more economically efficient totalitarian system of techno-surveillance, brainwashing and the engineering of human behavior via a digital system of ‘social credit,’ backed up by security squads, guns and detention camps.”

This is what “communism” has become.

Old fashioned Fascism with the tools to prevail if left unopposed.

We must embargo all Chinese goods, and shore up our defenses in the Pacific.

And we must ensure only US Presidents who see the danger, and are willing to confront it with the full power of the US...are elected.

China uses all aspects and dimensions of its national power in an effort to control the world. Soon they will begin exercising military power.

And only the US and its Pacific allies can stop them.


7 posted on 09/04/2019 5:05:01 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Xi Jingping is not Deng Xiaoping.

His order may or may not be followed.

China is a Banana republic. The military determines who the civilian leaders are.


8 posted on 09/04/2019 5:07:51 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

only one ping


9 posted on 09/04/2019 5:11:02 PM PDT by xp38
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To: xp38
Actually it's Jinping, not Jingping.

Each have their same ping 平

10 posted on 09/04/2019 5:23:11 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

” Quite the logical fallacy. “ Exactly how?


11 posted on 09/04/2019 5:25:05 PM PDT by A strike (Import third world become third world)
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To: Liberty7732

Bump


12 posted on 09/04/2019 5:25:56 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
I have absolutely no doubt that Xi Jinping would do exactly the same things that his predecessors did. Tiananmen II in Hong Kong would be far worse.

There are many difference between Tiananmen and Hong Kong. First, in Tiananmen, everyone was in the same area. It was easy to plan and execute the killing. In Hong Kong protesters move from district to district so it would be harder to make any plans. But I suppose it could be done.

Second, if there was any killings then there is a chance westerners will be killed as well. While this may give China a chance to say "See, we told you westerners are leading the protests" in the end you will see just about everyone who could flee the city and international businesses going someplace else.

The fleeing from Hong Kong would just about ruin the city and it would take years before it could even begin to recover and to fill the positions that westerners now do (such as education and financial).

13 posted on 09/04/2019 5:37:35 PM PDT by teacherwoes (Indoctrination is often done under the shadow of a ballot)
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To: A strike

“She should know. She has been present for both.”

Being in the geographic region when an event took place does not impart special knowledge about the event’s genesis or what will happen in a future superficially similar event.

I’ve been, for example, in more than one big earthquake. Doesn’t make me an expert in why earthquakes happen or when the next one will take place or the damages that will be.


14 posted on 09/04/2019 6:19:23 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: teacherwoes

Yes. It’s not even close to being a similar situation.


15 posted on 09/04/2019 6:24:36 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan; teacherwoes

” Being in the geographic region when an event took place does not impart special knowledge about the event’s genesis or what will happen in a future superficially similar event.”
“ Yes. It’s not even close to being a similar event. “

The fact that Rosett saw first hand the events at Tiananmen Square 30 years ago and also viewed first hand the events in Hong Kong this month does exactly, contra your assertion, indicate that she may have gained special knowledge.
I don’t know her bio and don’t know that you do, but the intelligence of her analysis and writing on this subject suggest as much.


16 posted on 09/04/2019 6:55:55 PM PDT by A strike (Import third world become third world)
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To: A strike

Yes, I wasn’t in Tiananmen Square 30 years ago but I have experienced the protests in Hong Kong first hand from the start to current events. I will continue to see the protests until something happens and it’s time to move out.


17 posted on 09/04/2019 7:08:48 PM PDT by teacherwoes (Indoctrination is often done under the shadow of a ballot)
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To: A strike

I like Claudia Rossett.

It provides her with special knowledge and more so, experience, but not of the sort this writer implies.


18 posted on 09/04/2019 7:20:43 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

England screws it up again. Never should have turned it over to the Chinese.


19 posted on 09/04/2019 8:37:10 PM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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