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To: chrisser

Sadly, I expect that the far left will take office once Trump leaves. This is for the following reasons: 1) the normal rotation of the presidency is every eight years the parties change; Old Bush was an exception due to Reagan’s popularity but he proceeded to throw it all away and gave us Clinton; 2) they will ensure they will never lose another election by packing the courts, bringing in untold numbers of illegals, taxing anyone who works to high heaven and doing a very successful job of stirring up racial hate and envy. What do WE do? My guess would be to get rid of coastal California, Oregon and Washington; toss out New York City and northeastern NJ, but not Upstate NY and 90 percent of the Garden State. I don’t know how this would work but I do know the situation will rapidly become intolerable. What will I do? Move to a solid Red state, buy a lot of land, grow vegetables and raise animals and hopefully the leftists don’t pull a locust-type invasion with property confiscation.


5 posted on 08/06/2019 6:00:13 PM PDT by laconic
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To: laconic

No I think that after this president leaves office we will move toward civil war. Both sides don’t appear to want to compromise. One side will push their agenda to far and the opposite side will react . Civil War we’ll come.


11 posted on 08/06/2019 6:07:33 PM PDT by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold. Z)
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To: laconic

Your synopsis is pretty close to what I expect.

We moved to a red state on some land under the previous administration. Speaking from experience, it takes a lot of time and a lot of resources to get to a point where you’re even close to self sufficient in a way that can keep you isolated from any troubles in the cities. I’m not sure we’ll get there even after a decade has passed, although we’ll be a lot closer by the time Trump is out of office. I’ve starting to think more in terms of 5 and 10 year chunks in terms of planning, because that’s how long it takes for people with jobs and responsibilities to actually accomplish anything substantial in my experience. Likely it’s going to get more difficult with age.


12 posted on 08/06/2019 6:07:43 PM PDT by chrisser
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To: laconic

Move to a solid Red state, buy a lot of land, grow vegetables and raise animals and hopefully the leftists don’t pull a locust-type invasion with property confiscation.
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1) Can you name a solid red state? I think we now have blue islands, at least, in every state and some traditionally red states actually elect RINOs.

2)In my area (SW WI), we were reliably traditional, regardless of party, prior to around 1987. An influx of Back To the Land types in the ‘70s (of which we were two)resulted in a branch of a well-known new age school and the establishment of what grew (with government loans) into the largest organic dairy co-op in the country, both attracting progs. Now, the older members of this cadre are aging out. They are telling real estate agents they will not sell to hunters or conventional farmers. Some are putting additional caveats on who they will sell to, such as only *artists*. These owners have large acreage.

3) a recently hot real estate market has seen nearly all the desirable smaller acreages/smaller homes bought up, so even if someone has sold a large acreage or working farm, they cannot buy locally if they want to downsize.

4) the millennials want to live in town, which has changed to another blue island in a red county. They control the schools and the hospital.

WI went blue in 2018. If they hold the state in 2020, property taxes will rise and we all know the resultant other legislation that we will face. (We did manage to elect a conservative State Supreme Court judge in 2019, so there is hope). We still hold 1/2 the State legislature, but that could change.

The current climate: people are split into rigid groups of *locals/old timers* and *prog newcomers* bolstering the progs already here. Conservatives keep their heads down and intelligently, their mouths shut. Progs will not patronize business/services that they disagree with, as we all know.

You don’t need lots of land to raise vegetables, but you need at least some labor. Smaller family groups may find this difficult, as younger progs do not work these sorts of jobs. A few head of various livestock is possible, but commercial livestock operations face scrutiny, at the least.

On the plus side: come out to the country with a trade. The newcomers can’t do much for themselves and the older conservatives are also in need of tradesmen. Something as simple as the ability to plow snow/blade steep gravel drives or cut grass on fallow fields would be a viable business. We have great neighbors who do both.

I believe there are few options in the future. Demographics are destiny. I’m old. May not live to see the worst, but I expect to see the transition escalate. Most of us elders are disengaging. If you are socially-inclined, living out here might be more lonely than expected.


72 posted on 08/07/2019 3:20:37 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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