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Boris Johnson, and a Return to British Nationhood
Illinois Review ^ | July 24, 2019 A.D. | John F. Di Leo

Posted on 07/24/2019 5:53:11 PM PDT by jfd1776

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1 posted on 07/24/2019 5:53:11 PM PDT by jfd1776
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To: jfd1776

How does one join ISIS?
How much are the monthly dues?
Do you get a free uniform or do you have to supply your own?


2 posted on 07/24/2019 5:54:41 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom Hi Dad)
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I feel like I must be missing a great joke there, but I don’t get it...


3 posted on 07/24/2019 5:58:37 PM PDT by jfd1776 (John F. Di Leo, Illinois Review Columnist)
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To: al baby

“”reclaim their rightful sovereignty.””

Are they going to send the Muslims back across the channel?


4 posted on 07/24/2019 6:00:52 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: jfd1776

Polexit too soon if they’re smart.


5 posted on 07/24/2019 6:04:07 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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HOORAY Boris!


6 posted on 07/24/2019 6:09:44 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: jfd1776

Not sure it’s even posted to the right thread. :)

But Al’s pretty sharp so there must be a connection and a witty one at that.

We don’t always see eye to eye but he is a great poster on the board.


7 posted on 07/24/2019 6:17:35 PM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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To: CMailBag
Not me, Guv'nor! Oym British!


8 posted on 07/24/2019 6:19:40 PM PDT by Regulator (Uh Huh Sure Y'Are)
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I hope Boris is as much a man as was Maggie Thatcher.


9 posted on 07/24/2019 6:53:40 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: jfd1776

Wait until Trump gifts Boris a hat saying:
Make Great Britain Great Again!


10 posted on 07/24/2019 7:25:39 PM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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To: jfd1776

This idiot thinks Boris Johnson will destroy the Conservative Party? Really?


11 posted on 07/24/2019 8:39:10 PM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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Umm.... No... I said that the EU establishment thinks that Boris Johnson’s failure will destroy the Conservative party.

That’s why I’m stressing that the allies - USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other friends - need to be ready to sign a good reciprocal FTA (like USMCA) promptly on Nov 1, so that Johnson’s prime ministership is a success.


12 posted on 07/24/2019 9:16:51 PM PDT by jfd1776 (John F. Di Leo, Illinois Review Columnist)
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To: Honest Nigerian

MEGA.


13 posted on 07/25/2019 12:13:15 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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We’ve got about three months to prepare now. This government should have been in placec3vyears ago. May’s regime has done untold damage to Britain’s future and economic prospects by sabotaging Brexit the way they have.


14 posted on 07/25/2019 1:39:12 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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This article is a mess and written by someone who doesn't understand either the definition of nationhood of anything else

1. There is no such thing as British "nationhood" -- there is English, Welsh, Northern Irish and Scottish nationhood, but Britain is composed of England, Scotland and Wales. The united kingdom is composed of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland -- there is no such thing as British nationhood and never has been

2. The voters decided to tell parliament to Brexit - it was an advisory poll. In the UK parliament is sovereign and it decides, not the people

3. "some conservative" -
3.1. Conservative means keeping the status quo - by that reckoninig Cameron wanted to keep the status quo as it was from 1973, which was to stay in the EU/EC - as Thatcher did
3.2. "Conservative" has a different meaning between the UK and the USA

4. Theresa May's first words were "Brexit means Brexit" - her flop was in calling for an election that put her in bed with the DUP - which meant that she couldn't keep NI in a customs union and take the rUK off

5. In no way has the EU "worked to make Brexit as painful as possible" - the EU put out its rules clearly - saying that you can't cherry-pick the 4 freedoms. The graph put out by the EU in 2017 clearly indicated that the UK would have a no-deal Brexit, so they put the cards on the table - oh, you wanted them to break the rules of the club to let the UK have its cake and eat it too? Not going to happen. This was the UK's fault in not preparing for the negotiations and not preparing for anything indeed

6. The EU confederation is no more a gang than the united states of America is a gang

7. The EU talked David Davis - a leading BREXITEER who was the chief negotiator into the agreement on the WA. Furthermore, the UK already concluded trade agreements for post Brexit with Fiji, Switzerland etc.

7. The UK already spent three years negotiating with others and failed

UK signs post-Brexit trade deal with Fiji and PNG

Britain has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with the Pacific islands of Fiji and Papua New Guinea, as the government rushes to sign as many agreements as possible before 29 March.

Signed by the international trade secretary, Liam Fox, the deal eliminates all tariffs on all goods imported from Fiji and Papua New Guinea and will gradually remove around 80% of tariffs on UK exports to these countries.

8. The trade deals with the USA, ANZAC will not in any way replace trade deals with the rest of Europe - the UK is too far away from ANZ except to import lamb and beef - which will be opposed by British farmers. And the UK's chief exports to the rest of Europe was services and partially completed goods (as it was part of the WE supply chain) - that can't be replaced with the US/Canada as a market as New York does the services bit and putting a supply chain across the atlantic doesn't make sense

9. The Tory party is already destroyed, no matter what - after the ensuing chaos of the past 3 years

15 posted on 07/25/2019 1:42:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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The Muslims in the UK were imported by the UK directly from the Middle East, from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nigeria

They didn't come from the EU.

16 posted on 07/25/2019 1:45:55 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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No matter how good a FTA is created, it will not replace anywhere near the business that the UK does with the other parts of the EU

Furthermore, those deals will kill BRitish industries - for instance Welsh farmers oppose an FTA with Australia and NZ as that will kill their lamb industry - NZ has economy of scale

And British poultry farmers oppose the FTA with the USA for a similar reason.

these FTAs aren't easy

17 posted on 07/25/2019 2:19:28 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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Journalists, huh? Thanks for posting.


18 posted on 07/25/2019 5:41:55 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Do you know anyone who isnÂ’t a socialist after 65? Freedom exchanged cash, a medicare card control.)
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To: Cronos

Britain is just as much a nation as Spain, Germany and Italy. This idea of Britain being a union of nations rather than a nation in its own right is a conceit of petty nationalists. I can assure you there are plenty who are fiercly British patriots and view British as their national identity.


19 posted on 07/25/2019 7:18:30 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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Britain is not a nation - it has no national sense - the United Kingdom is specifically a union of 4 nations

Germany is a union of different states - they forcibly got the idea of being a nation under Bismarck and that was exacerbated by the outcome of WWII - but the Bavarians will consider themselves different from Berliners

Scotland, Wales and England are separate and distinct countries, with their own cultures and well-defined borders. They are also arguably separate and distinct nations with largely homogeneous groups of natives (and immigrants).

The UK is, as its initials imply, a United Kingdom of the countries of Scotland, Wales and England, and the region of Northern Ireland.

This idea of the UK being a union of nations is more than just a conceit - remember that England, Scotland, Wales play separately footie and cricket -- I don't see Galicia or Swabia doing that

20 posted on 07/25/2019 7:43:31 AM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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