Posted on 07/07/2019 3:21:50 PM PDT by sockmonkey
If you have spent literally any time arguing against western imperialism in any public forum, you have had the experience of being accused of “supporting” one of said imperialism’s targets. If you argue against regime change interventionism in Syria, you’ll get accused of being an “Assadist” or “Assad apologist”. If you argue against regime change interventionism in Iran, you’ll you’ll get people saying that you “support the Mullahs”. Enter into any debate of sufficient liveliness and it’s only a matter of minutes before it happens.
There was a meme going around at the height of the most recent failed coup attempt in Venezuela depicting a white, pink-haired socialist placing their hand over the mouth of a dark-skinned Venezuelan and saying “ACKSHUALLY, MADURO IS THE GOOD GUY”. Proponents of the Trump administration’s attempts to topple the Venezuelan government would share this meme in online debates with anti-imperialists as a way of accusing them of whitesplaining to Venezuelans that they should support an evil dictator who is oppressing them. The idea being, of course, to silence those dastardly socialists using the socially progressive value system they claim to uphold. Checkmate, leftists.
There are obviously a number of things that are wrong with this meme, including the skin pigmentation of the average Guaido supporter, the implication that all Venezuelans oppose Maduro, and the suggestion that only white western leftists oppose the Trump administration’s attempts to install a puppet regime in the nation with the largest proven oil reserves on the planet. But the dumbest thing about it is the implication that someone who opposes US regime change interventionism could only be doing so because they believe that Nicolás Maduro is a “good guy”.
The reason debates about western imperialism so frequently get bogged down by moronic arguments about “good guys” and “bad guys” is because human storytelling devices train us from an early age to constantly frame narratives in those terms. Everything we’ve been taught by TV and movies tells us that if a conflict is happening, someone in it must be the protagonist and someone must be the antagonist, and that our job is to figure out which one’s which.
For as long as humans have been telling stories, this is how they’ve been doing it. A hero wants something, has some kind of adventure trying to get it, but a villain tries to stop them. It’s a recipe for exciting storytelling that’s been used since time immemorial, and it works because the standard human ego is structured to spin mental narratives about itself as the central character whose wants are constantly being fulfilled by friendlies and thwarted by hostiles. Almost every story from the earliest prehistoric campfire circles to the latest Hollywood blockbuster has in essence been nothing other than a storyteller using a simple mind hack to attract the interest and attention of their audience, just by making their narrative relatable using the protagonist/antagonist framework which the ego finds so appealing.
We’re always the hero in our little ego narratives about our day-to-day lives. We like people who do things we want and we dislike people who do things we don’t want. We stand transfixed by our babbling mental ego narratives, so we find any similar external narrative mesmerising in the same way.
But it’s just an illusion. There are no “good guys” or “bad guys” in real life, either in our personal lives or in international affairs. There are just people. Some of those people do things we like more often than they do things we don’t like, and vice versa, but that’s not a matter of whether they’re “good” or “bad”, it’s a matter of our personal preferences and how we think people ought to behave. “Good” or “bad” isn’t written on anyone’s DNA or inscribed above their heads upon the fabric of reality; we made it up.
In reality, it’s very possible to oppose US regime change interventionism in Venezuela without having a single thought ever appear in your head about whether or not Nicolás Maduro is a “good guy”. American-led regime change interventionism has a well-documented and historically undeniable history of increasing suffering and death in the nations in which it takes place, and consistently fails to accomplish what its proponents claim it will. You don’t need to have any opinions about who Maduro is as a person to recognize this self-evident fact and oppose yet another US regime change campaign in yet another oil-rich nation.
To preempt the inevitable Godwin’s law counter-argument here, of course it’s useful to discern individual behavior patterns in people and talk about what specific patterns they tend to exhibit. Of course it’s useful to recognize that Hitler did many things that we should always oppose going forward. But notice how the only reason Godwin’s law exists is because the “good guys versus bad guys” dichotomy allows people to associate anyone who opposes their side with Hitler, thereby marking them as the “bad guy” side in a given debate. That’s all anyone who fulfils Godwin’s law is ever trying to do.
It’s very useful to pay attention to the specific behavior patterns of specific individuals, and to make distinctions as to whether or not those behavior patterns are desirable or undesirable to you. But it’s also very useful to understand how the “good guys vs bad guys” dichotomy is leveraged by those who seek to control our thoughts and perceptions.
Think about it: where are we trained to look for heroes in real life? Soldiers and policemen, the violent enforcers of the status quo. Politicians like Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders, depending on which side of the fake partisan divide you’re on. And where are we trained to look for villains? Dictators and rule-breakers, and people who are on the other side of the illusory partisan divide.
Awful convenient for those who benefit from maintaining the status quo, no?
There is one direction in which we are very seldom trained to look for a superhero to come to the rescue, and that’s within. The notion that we ourselves might be the real agents of change in this world is downplayed by the propagandists who fear a surge in populism more than they fear anything else in this world.
Much better to keep people focused on polarizing figures like Donald Trump, who most people seem incapable of viewing as anything other than either a Deep State-fighting superhero or a Hitler-like supervillain whose actions are either all pure good or all pure evil. Divorced from the “good guys vs bad guys” dichotomy, this administration’s behavior can be described in the same way as its predecessors: mostly supportive of the violent and increasingly Orwellian pillars of empire, with a few helpful things mixed in. Yet it’s rare to find anyone who is capable of discussing Trump outside of the false dichotomy.
And the same would be more or less true of whoever Trump winds up running against in 2020. Even if by some miracle Bernie Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard overcome the rightward-slanted DNC nomination process and go on to beat Trump in the general election, they will with absolute certainty advance many of the destructive agendas upon which the US empire is built. They are not heroes either. This doesn’t mean they’re villains, it just means that “heroes versus villains” is an illusion we’ve been trained since our earliest media-consuming days to buy into.
The world makes a lot more sense when you peel away the lens from your eyes which perceives life in neat little Hollywood-shaped narratives with protagonists and antagonists and clear beginnings, middles and ends. Because it turns out that we’re all actually a bunch of confused primates doing the best we can with the wildly unique and incredibly complex sets of conditioning we’ve been dealt by our individual birth circumstances and life events. The “good guys versus bad guys” dichotomy is just imaginary conceptual overlay on top of a giant biological storm which carries on in cool indifference to our puny little egocentric narratives.
Atoms swirl, cells cluster, and life lifes away as this strange new species stumbles around trying to make sense of the world with its recently evolved extra gray matter and the capacity for abstract thought which comes with it. It has some successes and many failures in trying to figure out how to make living on this spinning rock a little more harmonious, and it will either succeed or it will fail. It’s egoically comfortable to slice this dance up into a narrative about heroes and villains, good guys and bad guys, but it’s really all one twirling, churning, chaotic and beautiful dance.
“Meme” the word should be banished. It’s overused and non-specific.
“Soldiers and policemen, the violent enforcers of the status quo”
And does she want anarchy, communism, n. korea style gov’t.?
Just another secular “There is no good, there is no evil” person.
“There are no “good guys” or “bad guys” in real life, either in our personal lives or in international affairs”
Right, I hope you meet up with Isis and explain that to them. What a load of crap.
She is very articulate ... but not very intelligent.
She banned me on Twatter. She demanded I explain what she thought was a psyop to support US intervention in Iran.
I told her I wasn’t going to do that but if she wanted to make the argument, go for it. It was about the Q Qult grifters, I said go ahead.
So she blocked me on Twatter. She demanded an explanation and I said, nah.
It’s your position you nitwit Caitlin Johnstone, so you prove it.
Now it’s immaterial as the Q Qult has outed itself over and over as nothing but a failure while making money by the authors-”decoders.”
President Trump disappointed her plan by not doing anything using the military against Iran.
Yeah, she is spouting relativistic drivel. If you don’t “like” Hitler, I guess it is just a meaningless subjective quirk on your part. I guess as the Nazis killed millions of people no one was supposed to judge - Hitler just had a different point of view and no one can know right from wrong.
Are we supposed to care what an Aussie’s opinion of America is?
Sorry Caitlin, America IS the good guy. If you dont like it, EFF you.
The US Constutution represents the best hope for humanity on this planet.
We just fail to live up to it at times, because we are all flawed human beings.
But we keep at it because it’s the best way to go.
You left out intellectually inbred idiot in your description.
I’m as against American interventionism as any, but there are certainly bad and/or evil people in this world; some of them are tinpot dictators, some are seemingly ordinary people, and some happen to work in our government.
*** I’m as against American interventionism as any, but there are certainly bad and/or evil people in this world; some of them are tinpot dictators, some are seemingly ordinary people, and some happen to work in our government.***
And I pray that finally some of those evil people, no matter who, are exposed and punished with the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein. Would probably go a long ways in “draining the swamp”.
LOL Sounds like she is at least as dumb as I thought.
Lewis Carroll used opium to write stories like Alice and Through the Looking Glass. She must be a test subject for the psilocybin trial. This can’t be from a healthy functioning mind. It’s further out there than Charles Manson.
rwood
Anyone with an IQ above 100 already knows, and anyone with an IQ under won't admit it.
Call me simplistic, but I think there are good guys and bad guys. Sure some good guys do some bad things, and vice versa, but it’s fairly easy to tell by their actions IMO.
Kill babies and you are bad, no matter how many dogs you rescue, for examole
What a load of atheistic garbage. There IS a moral standard, far above humanity, in the personhood of God. We are NOT just "atoms swirl[ing]." Mankind WILL be judged. One day very soon, she and ALL will find out.
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