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To: RArtfulogerDodger

The science is settled. Vaccines are good. They ought to be mandated by government. This is a question of personal freedom ... the right to be free of disease.


2 posted on 06/20/2019 11:07:18 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I look forward to seeing your scientific credentials related to vaccine efficacy and safety. Are they as impressive as those who claim that anthropogenic global warming is settled science?


3 posted on 06/20/2019 11:19:01 AM PDT by TheConservativeBanker
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
The science is settled. Vaccines are good.

How can the science be settled on ANY newer vaccine? The original Hepatitis B vaccine that was mandated in newborns in many states had to be changed because it was causing bowel separation. The HPV vaccine has caused widespread, numerous severe reactions. The U.S. version of the polio vaccine had to be changed to dead cell because a few people got polio (the only recorded cases those years) from the weakened live-cell version. On the other hand, the rabies vaccine is good. To state that the "science is settled" or that the need for an HPV vaccine is the same as the need for an anti-polio vaccine requiring a mandate for both is untrue.
4 posted on 06/20/2019 11:20:51 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

It’s not a right if you’re forced to drink the kool-aid at gunpoint.

This entire vax propaganda is for two purposes -
1. To cover up the sheer number of diseases that are being carried in by illegal immigrants and representing a clear and present threat to our communities.

2. To increase totalitarian government power.


5 posted on 06/20/2019 11:21:55 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

The science is settled - most times vaccines are good but there is a small percentage (aka risk) that the vaccine can cause harm to the patient.

Where there is risk, there needs to be choice.

All medical procedures carry two risks. The risk to get the procedure and the risk of avoiding the procedure. Since the bureaucrat is NOT the one who has to bear the consequences of the risk (either way), then the bureaucrat should NOT be the one making the decision.


6 posted on 06/20/2019 11:35:06 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

“The science is settled.“

Science is never settled.

L


8 posted on 06/20/2019 11:36:36 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Forget it. The crazy anti vaxxers are as delusional as the qult.

You have as much chance of changing these minds as convincing the qult that there are no unicorns.

Vaccines and inoculations have worked as far back as the Middle Ages. But these folks are too ignorant of history to understand. They hate anything that the govt mandates, whether it makes sense or not.


11 posted on 06/20/2019 11:41:41 AM PDT by Okeydoker
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
This is a question of personal freedom ... the right to be free of disease.

Hmmmmmm, and where is that 'right' clearly stated within the constitution?????

13 posted on 06/20/2019 11:53:30 AM PDT by Godzilla ( I just love the smell of COVFEFE in the morning . . . . .)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Some vaccines do a lot of good. Some are totally unnecessary.

I’m not messing with tetanus or rabies, but there are other things, like the flu, that I’ll take my chances, thankyouverymuch.


15 posted on 06/20/2019 12:25:48 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Settled? Like anthropogenic climate change?

It is not settled, and opposing argument and information has been quelled by the government-medical-pharmaceutical triad for decades.

I happen to be acquainted with the scientific method (as my academic awards in the sciences attest), and with this issue, starting in 1993.

Follow the money ALWAYS - not just when it suits your position. This is fascism.

Acquaint yourself with Antoine Beauchamp vs. Louis Pasteur.

Read the material from Mike Adams (not a leftist) - who is being deplatformed on this issue.

Why is there a taxpayer-funded, semi-secret Vaccine Court to settle lawsuits for harm or death on a no-fault basis?

“... the right to be free of disease” is at best a non-Constitutional leftist-style assertion. Is that like the right to an income or to a residence?

Everything else aside, Religious Freedom IS a Right - not what you blithely asserted.


21 posted on 06/20/2019 4:28:11 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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