Posted on 06/13/2019 7:11:11 PM PDT by Impala64ssa
AMEN.
Some of my personal favorite Kipling...Not sure why original “English” has become “Saxon”? Anyone Know? Unless it’s a term describing the Saxon ancestry of much of England?
Original version:
THE BEGINNINGS
It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late
With long arrears to make good,
When the English began to hate.
They were not easily moved,
They were icy willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the English began to hate.
Their voices were even and low,
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show,
When the English began to hate.
It was not preached to the crowd,
It was not taught by the State.
No man spoke it aloud,
When the English began to hate.
It was not suddenly bred,
It will not swiftly abate,
Through the chill years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the English began to hate.
You are correct. The Beginnings is the original title and the Saxons is a change from the original “English.”
I knew the Wrath... etc title was an internet alteration but I was unaware that the original poem said “the English.”
Just curious...The altered version has been around a long while despite the Internet myth it’s a recent “racist” creation...
It’s even recently been attributed to the NZ shooter because he has been said to have used it in his “manifesto”...Don’t know: I haven’t and will not read it...
He may have but the Saxon version is certainly not his creation; timing doesn’t work...I haven’t been able to find any reference as to why English was changed to Saxon...
Thanks for posting “Wrath”...Either way, I fear it’s coming, and it won’t be pretty...Any animal cornered is twice as dangerous...
well THAT sucks... they were both spectacular mosques going down, one from a tank shot
Probably part of the Appeasement or Post-WWII refusal to accept the hatred held by many for Germany.
In the immediate reaction to the uncivilized war making or the Germans in WWI, Kipling was a leader in shouting out the hate he felt for their actions. His own son presumed dead at 18 on the front, Kipling popularized the use of “the Hun” slur and pointed out during and after the war that there were civilized peoples and then there were Germans.
Someone changing the poem to say Saxons shows the common heritage that Germany held with the Germanic part of the continent.
In the teens and twenties it was strong here as well. My great grandfather was of German heritage although his family had been in the colonies from 1709. Still, that heritage was so poorly liked by midwesterners that he was called “the Dutchman” to try and portray him as non German by his friends.
Makes sense...Thanks for filling in the blanks for me...
I knew they Had to be awesome.
i looked and looked and can’t fine them anywhere
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