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To: Williams

My comments - on various threads - were neither entirely positive nor entirely negative. I do not recall if I read yours or not.

I disputed anyone who called Captain Marvel a Mary Sue, or charged that she was a modern feminist/SJW product. I also opined that Brie Larson was not the best choice for the role, although I predicted it would be a $1 Billion blockbuster regardless of how good it was.

Mary Sue dates from the early 1970s Star Trek fanzines: a parody of the adolescent prodigies common in amateur short stories who were, without training or experience, superior to all trained and experienced adults.

Carol Danvers was a highly trained military service adult, first on Earth, then with the Kree. She gained powers from Mar-Vell’s DNA in an explosion of a Kree device.

As for the other criticism, first as an officer, then as a superhero, the feminist aspect was always a part of the character’s story arc.

I was collecting back in the 60s. I actually owned Marvel Super-Heroes #s 12 (Mar-Vell debut, 1967) & 13 (Carol Danvers debut, 1968), and Ms. Marvel #1 (Kree-empowered Danvers, 1977).

I also remember The Fantastic Four #2 (1962): the debut of the Skrulls. They were invading alien villains, ruthless and dangerous.

My big problem with the story - and the real SJW propaganda of the movie - was turning the Skrulls into innocent immigrant victims just wanting a home of their own.

The anti-MAGA metaphor was utterly flagrant, and a complete subversion of the Skrulls from their introduction at the virtual dawn of the Silver Age Marvel Comics - done purely for leftist political reasons.

You are free to enjoy the movie. As a former collector who really knows the source material first hand, I am free to criticize it.


38 posted on 04/09/2019 12:04:40 AM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: YogicCowboy

You know, I hadn’t even thought of the anti-MAGA bent of the Skrulls until you mentioned it. It does make sense though, especially if they wanted to stick a jsb in at the president. However, despite the fact that I now know what that may be, I’m going to choose to ignore it. I guess I’m one of the few FReepers who actually liked Captain Marvel. I will own this film when it comes out on blu-ray. And I am really, really looking forward to Avengers:Endgame.


47 posted on 04/09/2019 8:40:21 AM PDT by hoagy62 (America Supreme!)
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To: YogicCowboy

Thank you for all the history and your comic book knowledge is extremely impressive.

Yes I am aware of the leftist messaging in these movies and it really upsets me. Please don’t think that I ignore it, the movies are really good which I guess makes these subtle messages even more seductive. However, the movies contain other virtues and messages which are not on the left so probably for the average audience it all just sails over their heads.

Having the villains in Captain Marvel refer to Earth as a “shithole” was also offensive because the writers obviously think they are so clever and snarky and the word was excessively vulgar for that film. But if I didn’t know they were mocking Trump (in an idiotic way) it was funny in the context of the movie.

My wife and I are binge steaming on all seasons of Agents of Shield, and in season 5 it’s really offensive that Hydra is being compared to Trump and using phrases like “make our world great again”. But the series is excellent. The problem is liberals have no boundaries and they infect everyone with their opinions.

One problem you face is that which ever version of a story you see 1st is likely to be your favorite. That is affecting a lot of fans of the Marvel movies. I can think of many examples where I saw a sequel before the original and as a result I always viewed the sequel as the real movie. Not modern sequels, all of which I reject because I saw the originals. I’m thinking of Destry or Destry Rides Again. I saw the Audey Murphy version and loved it. As a result I can’t enjoy the original as much. I think the true original is Marlena Dietrich and Jimmy Stewart (or is it Gary Cooper) which I should enjoy even more but I don’t.

Speaking as a person who was never familiar with Danvers from the comics, Brie Larson worked really well both for her attractiveness and she played it tough enough. I was more of a DC comic guy but we are in an alternate universe for me because now Marvel is the far superior movie and DC movies suck. They’ve really ruined Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Flash, so many heroes that I loved in the comics.

Thanks for listening to my rant.

Just to add a story from the deep past, when I was a kid in the early sixties my father knew a guy (who we said was a gypsy), he would go around and pound out dents in cars. He loved comic books so much, he was happy to be paid in comic books. So many of those great classics went to this guy for fixing our cars.


50 posted on 04/09/2019 9:02:06 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant.)
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