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National Guard Ditches Iconic Minute Man, Gun Logo (Guns BAD!)
guns.com ^ | April 1, 2019 | Chris Eger

Posted on 04/01/2019 7:27:41 AM PDT by PROCON

Army National Guard recruiting materials will no longer feature the traditional armed Minute Man logo, opting for a more sedate branding. (Photos: National Guard Bureau)

Gone is the traditional flintlock rifle and armed citizen soldier, a move one publication chalked up in part to “no tolerance” policies on the display of images of firearms in schools.

The familiar National Guard Seal and Emblem has long featured a likeness of the famous Concord Minute Man statue in Concord, Massachusetts. The statue, first unveiled in 1875 by sculptor Daniel Chester French, symbolizes the local militia that stood to in an effort to halt the British Army’s 1775 seizure of arms and powder that sparked the Revolutionary War. The man, a farmer rather than a soldier, is holding a flintlock in his right hand while his left hand is still resting on a plow. The National Guard holds that its history predates the country, stemming from the Massachusetts Bay Colonial Militia which was founded in 1636.

The previous design, last approved by the Army in 1989, was used as far back as the 1950s in similar forms. However, it was recently phased out for most applications in favor of a new “brand identity” for all 54 States, Territories and the District of Columbia. The new logo, a gold star on a black background that simply says “Army National Guard,” was adopted according to the branch to more closely tie the service to the U.S. Army in the public’s mind in recruiting materials.

“Research shows that the public, and even active duty service members, are often unsure of the Army National Guard’s relationship to the U.S. Army,” said Lt. Col. Stephen Warren, branch chief of marketing for the National Guard Bureau’s Strength Maintenance Division. “The rebrand makes it clear that the Army National Guard is part of the Army.”

According to Small Wars Journal, a Bethesda, Maryland-based organ of the non-profit Small Wars Foundation, which analyses modern military conflict, the move stems from a “failure of the American Public Education system,” due to poor knowledge of the original symbol’s meaning.

“Furthermore, due to ‘no tolerance’ policies concerning the display of images of firearms in schools, the traditional Minuteman logo could not be displayed due to inclusion of an 18th-century flintlock rifle,” said Franklin C. Annis for SWJ. “Now the National Guard will be represented by a lackluster shield-shaped black logo with white and gold lettering.”


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; logo; nationalguard
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To: gaijin

Know your local shipping container storage areas... ;-)


21 posted on 04/01/2019 8:23:04 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Mitt Romney, Chuck Schumer's p*ssboy)
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To: xkaydet65

“This is a positive as it clearly separates the Guard from being the Militia. The idea of the Guard not being the militia or Minute Men reinforces the 2nd Amendment.”

Stupid comment.

The Guard IS the militia. The militia clauses of the Constitution apply to the militia, which is understood to be today’s Guard. Using you logic, or lack thereof, today’s Guard would have no justification for its existence if it’s not a militia.


22 posted on 04/01/2019 8:25:53 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: xkaydet65

I think you make a reasonable point.


23 posted on 04/01/2019 8:32:44 AM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: oldbill

“The Guard IS the militia.”

The militia is much larger than the Guard.

Look it up.


24 posted on 04/01/2019 8:33:09 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: oldbill

I wonder about the current justification of the Guard since it is under the political control of the Governors which can be contrary to National need. The Governor of Delaware wouldn’t send Guard troops to the border to help with the crisis down there but proudly sends them on the taxpayer’s dime to places like the Middle East.


25 posted on 04/01/2019 8:37:46 AM PDT by Hartlyboy
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To: PROCON

““Research shows that the public, and even active duty service members, are often unsure of the Army National Guard’s relationship to the U.S. Army,” said Lt. Col. Stephen Warren, branch chief of marketing for the National Guard Bureau’s Strength Maintenance Division. “The rebrand makes it clear that the Army National Guard is part of the Army.””

Stupid Guard Bureau hack.
The Minuteman shield had the big word “ARMY” in it.
That wasn’t enough?

It’s more political correctness from the politically appointed generals on tour at the Guard Bureau looking for their next star.

“By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world”

New politically correct version:

Welcoming minorities in neighborhoods,
Our Rainbow flag daintily unfurled,
We snowflake social justice warriors should
Go ‘round and sing, “We are the World”.


26 posted on 04/01/2019 8:38:25 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: Hartlyboy

US vs Perpich took care of that.


27 posted on 04/01/2019 8:39:22 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: Army Air Corps

“The new logo looks boring. At least the Minute Man was distinctive.”

The Minute Man logo is too similar to the Confederate statues at the courthouse (for snowflakes) - so the Minute Man logo has to go.

Let’s hope this is an April Fool prank.


28 posted on 04/01/2019 8:40:51 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: PROCON

This guy’s ghost is going to come back and kick the living crap out of whomever made this pussy decision: http://www.badassoftheweek.com/whittemore.html


29 posted on 04/01/2019 9:05:22 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: PROCON

Aren’t we getting wimpy?


30 posted on 04/01/2019 9:22:20 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: oldbill; xkaydet65; jeffersondem
"The Guard IS the militia. The militia clauses of the Constitution apply to the militia, which is understood to be today’s Guard. Using you logic, or lack thereof, today’s Guard would have no justification for its existence if it’s not a militia."

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Uh, no, the NG is NOT, NOT, NOT the militia (not all of it, see below). The anti-gun types would like us to believe that, since then there would be no right for ordinary citizens to own arms (in their belief, not mine). The was decided already by the Supreme Court in a unanimous decision: Perpich v. Department of Defense

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/496/334/

Put simply, Rudy Perpich was the Governor of Minnesota and resisted Reagan's deployment of the MN NG to Central America, on the theory that the state NG was the militia (which would require an act of Congress to call up and deploy). The SC said that it was NOT the militia, that it was created by an act of Congress as part of its Article 1, Section 8 powers to raise armies.

The National Guard is NOT the militia. The [unorganized] militia is defined in 10 US Code Section 311 as follows:

"(a)  The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32 [i.e. the National Guard], under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b)  The classes of the militia are--

(1)  the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia;  and

(2)  the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-10-armed-forces/10-usc-sect-311.html

31 posted on 04/01/2019 9:22:56 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Hartlyboy

Governors CAN’T defy call up orders for their NG units: Perpich v. Dept of Defense https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/496/334/


32 posted on 04/01/2019 9:24:44 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: PROCON

What are they going to use then?

Hockey pucks?


33 posted on 04/01/2019 9:35:26 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Tennis rackets. Any of you snowflakes for tennis?


34 posted on 04/01/2019 9:46:24 AM PDT by JayAr36 (Organized Crime is now in charge of the District of Corruption)
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To: Ancesthntr

You refute your own argument, fixated as you seem to be on gunrights, an entirely different issue.

The “militia” is an overarching appellation that includes in the original constitutional context an organized militia and an unorganized militia, i.e., all those 17-45 not in the organized militia. But the unorganized component no longer exists in practice. Are YOU 17-45? If so, do you drill regularly? I thought not.

The only segment of the militia under current law over which the federal government has direct and indirect control is the “organized militia”, which currently embodies only the Army and Air National Guard.

The unorganized militia segment is currently not utilized . There are states that have state (unorganized) militias, even two with a naval militia, but these organizations are under current practice strictly state entities with no federal mission or funding.

The focus of this thread is the Army National Guard, and that is an organized militia, although you claim it is not.

Your understanding of Perpich is also in error.
The issue at the time (I was part of it) was, could the governor exercise control over his Guard units after they had been called to federal (Title 10) active duty in Central America. The SC ruled that at the time, the Minnesota Guard was on Title 10 status, and as such was totally under federal control.


35 posted on 04/01/2019 9:54:34 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: From The Deer Stand
I'm actually surprised some leftist gun-grabber didn't proclaim that the logo of the minuteman with the flintlock rifle proves that the 2nd Amendment only meant Americans possessing flintlock rifles.
36 posted on 04/01/2019 9:55:08 AM PDT by PROCON ('Progressive' is a Euphemism for Totalitarian)
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To: gaijin

Very likely you are correct.


37 posted on 04/01/2019 10:51:56 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: oldbill

Using your comment, if you’re not in the national guard, you cannot bear arms.


38 posted on 04/01/2019 11:14:05 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: PROCON

Don’t give them any ideas about flintlocks being all we can own. I’ve already seen people arguing in favor of that.


39 posted on 04/01/2019 11:19:04 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: PROCON

Another fine, old American tradition bites the dust.


40 posted on 04/01/2019 11:47:24 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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