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Why Are We Still Debating the 'Merits' of Socialism?
Reason Magazine ^ | March 8, 2019 | Steven Greenhut

Posted on 03/09/2019 3:56:41 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

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This column was first published in the Orange County Register.
1 posted on 03/09/2019 3:56:41 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

But-but-but it is because the WRONG PEOPLE end up running the socialist system, doncha know. If they just get in the RIGHT people, this time it will work for sure.

Oddly, even with the “right people”, socialism ends up being a command-and-control economy. Complete with “re-education camps”, rationing and chronic shortages in even the basic needs.

Eventually socialism runs out of other people’s money.


2 posted on 03/09/2019 4:04:19 PM PST by alloysteel (History will be kind to me for I intend to write it. - Winston Churchill)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Socialism is something you vote your way into and shoot your way out.


3 posted on 03/09/2019 4:08:00 PM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

NH never really answered his own question. It is basically flawed human nature. Humans are stupid, stubborn, and fail to learn from history. Read Chronicles. a history lesson for everyone. Despite what God did for the Israelites, they kept forgetting and rebelled time after time.


4 posted on 03/09/2019 4:13:03 PM PST by Fungi
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
You can't have socialism without authoritarianism. Rogue business operators and property accumulators cannot be tolerated. Nor can those that merely advocate such things.
5 posted on 03/09/2019 4:15:08 PM PST by fhayek
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I don’t know why we debate it at all as it’s unconstitutional. We are guaranteed a Republican form of Government.


6 posted on 03/09/2019 4:16:26 PM PST by CommieCutter ("Trump is god emperor and he will win." -- some hacker)
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To: alloysteel

The problems of socialism and communism, have frequently been blamed on people just not doing things properly.

Having seen so many historic examples of the faults of socialism and communism, from Lenin and Stalin to chairman Mao and Pol Pot and Castro, we are supposed to believe, that these good communists just didn’t implement the theories of Marx and Engels properly.

And we are also supposed to believe that people such as Bernie Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez will do it right this time.


7 posted on 03/09/2019 4:18:50 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I always say “apply this proposal to the filter of your life”


8 posted on 03/09/2019 4:19:08 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: CommieCutter

Excellent point.


9 posted on 03/09/2019 4:19:44 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

It’s true. There’s nothing to discuss.

Shortages and dictatorship?

The liberals point to Scandinavia, but those countries aren’t socialist. They are wealthy due to capitalism.


10 posted on 03/09/2019 4:21:51 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

This battle will indeed be worth escalating. And it will be escalated should the socialists cheat their way into power.

I would hope and trust that we’ve still got the revolutionary spirit. No way should we let people with an unfailing history of failure have control of my life, my family, and our future.


11 posted on 03/09/2019 4:22:39 PM PST by Da Coyote
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I promise every reader that those that create wealth and jobs already have plans to go away if socialism becomes our way of life. Like Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged, there will be a strike of the producers and then it’s over for a couple of generations.


12 posted on 03/09/2019 4:23:36 PM PST by devane617 (Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.~ George Orwell, 1984)
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To: CommieCutter

>I don’t know why we debate it at all as it’s unconstitutional. We are guaranteed a Republican form of Government.

“A Republic. If you can keep it.” - B. Franklin


13 posted on 03/09/2019 4:23:59 PM PST by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Cause we didn’t hang all the socialists after the last debate?


14 posted on 03/09/2019 4:26:18 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Socialism is nothing more than the Wicked Witch’s Candy Cottage in the Hansel and Gretel story.
Eat the candy at your own peril.


15 posted on 03/09/2019 4:28:29 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Chivalry is not dead. It is a warriors code and only practiced by warriors.)
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It's a religion. You can disprove the whole thing and some people will still believe in it.

The success of capitalism feeds the socialist impulse. People see all the wealth created and start thinking it's infinite. They wonder why they don't have more of it and start dreaming of all the uses government can put it to.

The money isn't infinite. It runs out soon enough. But socialists aren't thinking that far ahead.

16 posted on 03/09/2019 4:28:36 PM PST by x
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The appeal of socialism is free stuff without effort. It’s already demonstrably failing in our big cities. The message is “come here and get lots of free stuff.” The only requirement is to be homeless, which is easy for those who wish to put forth no effort. Think about it; the only requirement is to have virtually nothing. That’s the incentive. We reward those who have nothing because they don’t want to be productive. There’s a formula for prosperity.


17 posted on 03/09/2019 4:31:26 PM PST by Spok
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Or maybe socialism is a fundamentally flawed idea that always leads to misery by design.

Let me fix that:

Or maybe socialism is a fundamentally flawed idea that always leads to misery by short-sighted, incompetent, ignorant, and the obvious inability of incomplete centralized-planned design because no person or potential committe can foresee demand for every required product or every sudden disaster that may arise in production of every product to guarantee to meet the needs of the population in every situation and location in the future.

The sheer arrogance that makes socialists assume they can plan and adequately meet the disparate needs of millions of people, much less their desires and demands, guarantees their societies and economies will fail because they have no concept of the problem they think they are tackling and why every attempt at socialism has been an abysmal bloody failure in short order.

18 posted on 03/09/2019 4:31:36 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Is there anywhere in the world socialism or communism has worked? I’m scratching my head.


19 posted on 03/09/2019 4:33:14 PM PST by umgud
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To: CommieCutter
I don’t know why we debate it at all as it’s unconstitutional. We are guaranteed a Republican form of Government.

We aren’t guaranteed shit. “Unconstitutional” is whatever five justices on the Supreme Court say it is.

20 posted on 03/09/2019 4:34:10 PM PST by Drew68 (No, as a matter of fact, I didn't read the article.)
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