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To: DoodleDawg
Your definition of 'propaganda' being facts that you do not accept or which show your opinions to be wrong?

When you send five warships, and three tug boats, and call it a "supply" mission, you are a liar.

You keep repeating the blatant propaganda that a fleet of warships constitutes a "supply" mission. Then you keep repeating the propaganda that a peaceful convention for a state to leave the Union which it voluntarily joined, is "rebellion."

Just lies all the way around with your side, isn't it? Here's another one.

Yet the facts clearly show that the South rebelled to protect their institution of slavery from the Republicans in government.

No, the facts show no such thing at all. Your propaganda keeps repeating this claim, and your propaganda keeps ignoring the fact that there was absolutely no threat to the institution of slavery, so you are both lying about the term "rebellion" and lying about why the South left, and you are also lying about claiming the South's reasons had anything to do with the war.

As i've told you many times, the South's reasons for seceding are *IRRELEVANT* to why Abraham Lincoln deliberately launched a war to stop them.

The Declaration of Independence does not specify any threshold which must be met for a state to exercise the right of independence beyond the desire of the people to want independence.

"Consent of the Governed", is the sole requirement, and when a government no longer has the "consent of the governed", it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it" for any D@mned reason that suits their fancy.

So once again, I reject your effort to *FOCUS* the cause of the war on the people who just wanted to leave. The cause of the war must be focused on the people who went into other people's land and killed their citizens.

The invading force was responsible for the war, and they started it by sending warships into another peoples harbor with orders to attack.

80 posted on 02/26/2019 7:50:03 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
You keep repeating the blatant propaganda that a fleet of warships constitutes a "supply" mission.

And you ignore the fact that Lincoln made his intent clear in his letter to Governor Pickens and continue with your propaganda of calling it a "war fleet".

Then you keep repeating the propaganda that a peaceful convention for a state to leave the Union which it voluntarily joined, is "rebellion."

Rebellion is defined as "open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government." That isn't propaganda, that's an accurate description of the Southern actions. Especially the unsuccessful part.

No, the facts show no such thing at all.

On the contrary, speeches and writings of the time make it clear. Your propaganda to the contrary notwithstanding.

As i've told you many times, the South's reasons for seceding are *IRRELEVANT* to why Abraham Lincoln deliberately launched a war to stop them.

How can the reasons why the South started the war be irrelevant? Or *IRRELEVANT*. Your choice.

The Declaration of Independence does not specify any threshold which must be met for a state to exercise the right of independence beyond the desire of the people to want independence.

No, but the Declaration of Independence gave the reasons why one people wanted to dissolve the political bands that connected them with another. Likewise four of the rebel states issued their own Declarations of the Causes of Secession. And slavery is the most prominently mentioned point. The continuously identify themselves as slave states, first and foremost.

"Consent of the Governed", is the sole requirement, and when a government no longer has the "consent of the governed", it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it" for any D@mned reason that suits their fancy.

They certainly have that right, within the provisions of the Constitution or through rebellion. The South chose rebellion and they blew it. Badly.

So once again, I reject your effort to *FOCUS* the cause of the war on the people who just wanted to leave.

Of course you do. You prefer to *FOCUS* attention away from those who started the war. Fits your propaganda much better.

81 posted on 02/26/2019 10:09:25 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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