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To: DiogenesLamp
You keep repeating the blatant propaganda that a fleet of warships constitutes a "supply" mission.

And you ignore the fact that Lincoln made his intent clear in his letter to Governor Pickens and continue with your propaganda of calling it a "war fleet".

Then you keep repeating the propaganda that a peaceful convention for a state to leave the Union which it voluntarily joined, is "rebellion."

Rebellion is defined as "open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government." That isn't propaganda, that's an accurate description of the Southern actions. Especially the unsuccessful part.

No, the facts show no such thing at all.

On the contrary, speeches and writings of the time make it clear. Your propaganda to the contrary notwithstanding.

As i've told you many times, the South's reasons for seceding are *IRRELEVANT* to why Abraham Lincoln deliberately launched a war to stop them.

How can the reasons why the South started the war be irrelevant? Or *IRRELEVANT*. Your choice.

The Declaration of Independence does not specify any threshold which must be met for a state to exercise the right of independence beyond the desire of the people to want independence.

No, but the Declaration of Independence gave the reasons why one people wanted to dissolve the political bands that connected them with another. Likewise four of the rebel states issued their own Declarations of the Causes of Secession. And slavery is the most prominently mentioned point. The continuously identify themselves as slave states, first and foremost.

"Consent of the Governed", is the sole requirement, and when a government no longer has the "consent of the governed", it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it" for any D@mned reason that suits their fancy.

They certainly have that right, within the provisions of the Constitution or through rebellion. The South chose rebellion and they blew it. Badly.

So once again, I reject your effort to *FOCUS* the cause of the war on the people who just wanted to leave.

Of course you do. You prefer to *FOCUS* attention away from those who started the war. Fits your propaganda much better.

81 posted on 02/26/2019 10:09:25 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
And you ignore the fact that Lincoln made his intent clear in his letter to Governor Pickens and continue with your propaganda of calling it a "war fleet".

I'm going to use Lincoln's own words here.

"Just because you call a tail a "leg", doesn't make it so. "

I don't give a flying f*** what Lincoln called his fleet of warships with orders to attack. The actual fact is that they were a fleet of warships, with orders to attack.

His putting it into a letter that they were a "supply" mission, is just battleground preparation for the propaganda war he was already waging against the South.

Rest assured, the Northern public was told repeatedly that it was a "supply" mission, and little if anything was ever said about it being cannon bristling warships with orders to use all the force at their disposal to place men and supplies into that fortress.

Very likely if anyone identified it as a "War" fleet, they were arrested so they couldn't inform the Northern public contrary to what Lincoln was trying to portray.

I have no interest in reading any further of the rest of your spiel. You are not amenable to objective facts, and you will simply continue trying to cover up reality because you don't like sunlight being shined on these events.

Warships are not "supply" mission. Warships are "war" mission.

"Star of the West" wasn't even a "supply" mission. It too was a covert war mission, and that little tidbit has been covered up.

83 posted on 02/26/2019 11:00:34 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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