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Are electric cars worse for the environment? (sure looks that way)
Politico ^ | 5/15/18 | JONATHAN LESSER

Posted on 01/20/2019 5:42:04 AM PST by Libloather

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To: Libloather

They never tell you where all that Electricity will come from or how thru the roof cost it will be


41 posted on 01/20/2019 7:26:43 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: deweyfrank

Nobody talks about what happens to all those old batteries when they need replacing. The last I learned is that they are pretty toxic.
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Sort of like the ‘new’ lightbulbs that were ‘forced’ down our throat.

For a while it was being suggested that to properly dispose of the burnt out bulbs you would need a hazmat team.

Like the ‘asbestos’ removal ‘scare’, after all the regs and restrictions were thrown in, the cost of renovating an old building was almost as much as putting up the new one.

Sort of faded in the distance, like most boondoggle government ideas.

People act like electric cars are new, several of them were introduced in the early 1900s.

Another fallacy of ‘their’ program is apparently they don’t realize electricity and fossil fuels run hand in hand so if you have electric cars you will need more electricity ESPECIALLY since most that like electric cars don’t like Nuclear Power.

When traveling in West Virginia (many ‘windmills’ or BIRD KILLERS dot the countryside), if I notice one not ‘turning’ I will ask a local if someone forgot to PLUG IT IN as it didn’t seem to be ‘working’...Quite a few of the natives are NOT happy..


42 posted on 01/20/2019 7:29:52 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98"Getting rich as a Politician means doing something illegal''(trunc) HS Truman)
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To: IgnaciKat

IANAL, but they never find for the guy doing the following.


43 posted on 01/20/2019 7:30:33 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Libloather

Well with more NOX in the air we can laugh about it.


44 posted on 01/20/2019 7:36:12 AM PST by Retvet (Retvet)
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To: Moonman62
And if you go over to the Tesla owner’s forum on Reddit, you’ll rarely see air quality or environmentalism mentioned. There are lots of posts about performance, though.

Yup. EVs are basically coal-powered toxic hazards.

They're trying to sell their "performance." The problem with that is they can do an amazing 0-60 on a full charge, but within minutes degrade severely. They're also heavy and handle like crap, so are useless on a road race and can't keep up on a track.

Doesn't stop the fan-boys from comparing them to Z06s and Porsche.

45 posted on 01/20/2019 8:12:20 AM PST by AAABEST (NY/DC/LA media/political industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: Libloather

When the communist parties in Europe were wringing their hands at the downfall o’f the Soviet Union, the leaders told them, ‘Join the Environmentalist movement.’


46 posted on 01/20/2019 8:49:09 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Libloather
Are electric cars worse for the environment? (sure looks that way)

The enviro-nazis have always ignored the fact that somewhere there is an electric plant chugging out pollution to charge these electric cars.

47 posted on 01/20/2019 8:55:27 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty ('DEPLORABLE' Charter Member of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy - and DAMN Proud of it!.)
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To: Libloather

Wow. I actually agree with something written in Politico.


48 posted on 01/20/2019 9:19:13 AM PST by vpintheak (Freedom is not equality; and equality is not freedom!)
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To: C210N

Spot on their idea of fact checking.


49 posted on 01/20/2019 9:20:04 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: Libloather

Just ask a Tesla owner if they support building new Nuclear Power Plants that emit zero Carbon Emissions.


50 posted on 01/20/2019 9:22:44 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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To: Libloather
Two things about battery-only e-cars that doesn't get much press are the impact on the power grid and the wait time at gas stations that a wholesale changeover to electric cars would cause.

As is, the majority of the energy our automobiles consume is delivered to the retail distribution points (i.e., gas stations) in tanker trucks that themselves run on dead dinosaurs. If we all drove electric cars, the equivalent load that those tanker trucks have been carrying would have to be delivered over electrical power lines instead. Industry aside, America burns about as much energy in her homes as in her automobiles, so we can't all drive electric cars without the risk of overloading the grid (brownouts/blackouts) without the grid gets a major overhaul first.

And unless you're driving a duallie with an aux tank, you probably can refuel your dinosaur-powered vehicle in about five minutes. With pay-at-the-pump, that means a dozen customers can refuel per pump head in an hour. So what happens to your wait time at the "recharging" station if each car needs (let's be Pollyannish and say) 60 minutes to refuel?

"Their" concept of electric cars is that we'll recharge them at home or at work, so the commercial charging stations won't need the added capacity. But what about holidays?

Unless charging stations expect you to accept waiting four hours for your turn at their charger so you can make the annual Thanksgiving pilgrimage upstate to Aunt Edna's, they're going to have to invest in quite a bit more real estate than they have now to accommodate several times more charging "islands" than they currently use for the distribution of liquid dinosaurs.

Not only that, an electric charging station costs several times as much as a bog-standard Slumberger pump head. So you'd be asking them to invest big capital in a sale item that's only going to generate significant revenue on weekends and holidays when people are traveling in large numbers. So don't hold your breath.


So unless Elon Musk can poop free real estate and cheap rapid-charge charging stations, widespread adoption of battery-only electric cars would mean America would have to abandon both the traditions of the drive-to-Grandma's holidays and the summer family vacation by car.


You don't often hear it mentioned but one of the reasons America was so eager to embrace the gasoline automobile is because it was a huge boon to democracy, effectively a guarantor of freedom of association. And for more than a century we've had automobiles that could be refueled in minutes and then driven for hours. I don't think America will ever accept their wholesale replacement with something that takes longer to fuel than to run it dry.

If I were conspiratorially-minded (tinfoil hats ON!), I could see this as a clandestine attempt to make it difficult at best for Americans ever to travel more than half their car's charge from home.

51 posted on 01/20/2019 9:52:12 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Libloather

Nothing better than riding up on a pedal bike and stopping next to an electric vehicle. Then looking over and down at them. Lol.


52 posted on 01/20/2019 10:01:34 AM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: pepsionice
...would only cover about 280 days a year (central Germany location). So I’d have to continue to be tied to the grid.

There's the rub...the entire electrical infrastructure (fuel, power plants, transmission, local distribution) has to be sized for those days when you don't get power from the sun. So you have to pay twice, once for the power plant on your house and the second time for the utility plant. OR you pay for an enormous battery system at your house to get you through those 85 days without sun power.

Elon Musk is betting heavily that people WILL put in huge battery banks at their houses. That's what his "GigaFactories" are for. But they are slow getting built and into production.

53 posted on 01/20/2019 10:23:55 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: joma89
All electric cars do is centralize pollution. On top of that, we now have to dispose of their very toxic and massive batteries.

Another thing that is rarely mentioned is the strip mining, as well as undersea mining, required to get the necessary rare earth metals.

Where is the environmental impact statement for the whole electric car infrastructure?

54 posted on 01/20/2019 10:28:08 AM PST by seowulf
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55 posted on 01/20/2019 10:30:12 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: IgnaciKat
"Not commonly recognized is that EVs use regenerative braking. When you slow down, the motors switch to ‘generate’ mode to recharge a little."

Tesla, Nissan Leaf, BMW i3 all turn on brake lights under regenerative braking. Maybe there is some EV that doesn't, as it is unregulated, but by far the majority do. Regenerative braking isn't much different from downshifting in a manual transmission and "engine braking" which doesn't trigger brake lights, and hasn't caused a rear ending crisis.

56 posted on 01/20/2019 10:51:27 AM PST by Wayne07
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To: adorno

Tesla owners drive like 80 year old grannies.


57 posted on 01/20/2019 10:55:38 AM PST by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: jjotto
Tesla owners drive like 80 year old grannies.

Except that, they're not for the grannies, price-wise or flashiness-wise, though the grannies wouldn't have to drive them once they become totally autonomous. Grannies and granddaddies would have to be subsidized by Medicare or Medicaid, or they could always get 'free rides' to wherever and whenever.
58 posted on 01/20/2019 12:28:11 PM PST by adorno
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To: mowowie
I was about to comment on politico on how this article was ever allowed on that MOONBAT site but found, unsurprisingly, that there is no comment section.

That seems to be a trend.

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59 posted on 01/20/2019 7:22:43 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

thanks for those.
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60 posted on 01/21/2019 8:31:52 AM PST by mowowie
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