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Are electric cars worse for the environment? (sure looks that way)
Politico ^ | 5/15/18 | JONATHAN LESSER

Posted on 01/20/2019 5:42:04 AM PST by Libloather

**SNIP**

To answer that question, I used the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s most recent long-term forecasts for the number of new electric vehicles through 2050, estimated how much electricity they’d use, and then figured out how much pollution that electricity would generate, looking at three key pollutants regulated under the U.S. Clean Air Act—sulfur dioxide (SO2), oxides of nitrogen (NOX), and particulates—as well as CO2 emissions. I compared them to the emissions of new gasoline-powered vehicles, using the EIA’s “real world” miles-per-gallon forecast, rather than the higher CAFE standard values.

What I found is that widespread adoption of electric vehicles nationwide will likely increase air pollution compared with new internal combustion vehicles. You read that right: more electric cars and trucks will mean more pollution.

That might sound counterintuitive: After all, won’t replacing a 30-year old, smoke-belching Oldsmobile with a new electric vehicle reduce air pollution? Yes, of course. But that’s also where many electric vehicle proponents’ arguments run off the road: they fail to consider just how clean and efficient new internal combustion vehicles are.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics; Weather
KEYWORDS: agw; alreadyposted; cars; climatechange; electric; environment; fake; fraud; globalwarming; hoax; stillbs
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To: CodeToad
The problem with electric car MPG equivalent is that they use $5/gallon as the ratio to electricity costs. They also use 6.5 cents as the cost of the electricity when 12.5 cents is the national average.

In parts of New England, electricity is more expensive than the national average. Believe it or not, on Cape Cod, I'm paying 25 cents per kwh, even after getting the "best" deal on resold aggregated electricity, which only saves 2 or 3 cents per kwh.

And, to add insult to injury (although this isn't specifically Tesla related), the off-shore wind to electricity farms that have been proposed are up in the 35 cent per kwh range, with sweetheart take or pay deals.

21 posted on 01/20/2019 6:44:28 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine ( "It's always a party when you're eating the seed corn.")
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To: BobL

As someone who was a college student in the late 1960’s it took me a few years to recognize that the left does not have good intentions. It is all about power and a belief in writings of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Fidel and so for an so with NO critical thinking.


22 posted on 01/20/2019 6:48:38 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: manc

she may be nuts
but the schools are cloning thousands like her every year.


23 posted on 01/20/2019 6:49:13 AM PST by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: BobL

Ending capitalism has been the core goal of the environmental movement all along.


24 posted on 01/20/2019 6:50:02 AM PST by wjcsux (The hyperventilating of the left means we are winning! (Tagline courtesy of Laz.))
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Yep. In the upper States it’s about 21 cents average. That would knock electric car MPG down to about 20 MPG in cost compared to gas.


25 posted on 01/20/2019 6:50:11 AM PST by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!.)
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To: Libloather

26 posted on 01/20/2019 6:56:36 AM PST by C210N (Republicans sign check fronts; 'Rats sign check backs.)
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To: Maine Mariner

I’m a bit younger, but was very fortunate to be placed right in the heart of Leftism during college at ESU. From there, it was just a matter of reading what they were handing out and going to a couple of their ‘teach-ins’, where they discussed the ‘revolution’, and THEY WERE NOT JOKING.

What amazes me is how Rush figured out the same, considering that I doubt his exposure came close to matching mine.


27 posted on 01/20/2019 6:56:54 AM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: Spok

Electricity comes out of the outlet in the wall, right? That’s all there is to it, right?

Sarcasm


28 posted on 01/20/2019 6:57:36 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I went last year to a solar-show in Munich, and watched a number of demonstrations and talked to one smart engineer. In the current design, with around 16 panels and a battery rack in the basement, I could supply all the power I needed for the house (freezer and refrigerator included) and easily charge up the car, but timing came into play.

Based on the averages of sunshine per day...this would only cover about 280 days a year (central Germany location). So I’d have to continue to be tied to the grid. The other issue was that you’d typically charge the electrical car....after 6 PM, and this would eat up the charge on your solar potential collected and stored in the stupid batteries. With sun out till 10 PM in the summer....it would work out. The other six months of the year, no such luck.

So I brought up the wind business, and they had several ‘quiet’ wind collectors and this could figure into this. I’ve seen some Icelandic engineers who seem to have a hot project in the future for wind collection. But it just means an awful lot of infrastructure and you having to continually monitor your entire system for maintenance issues.


29 posted on 01/20/2019 7:02:19 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: BobL

Yes, as I recall Rush did not graduate with a BA degree and probably avoided many left wing professor.

I went to a couple such meeting as well. The Trotskyites were very active and recruiting students. There was one very attractive young woman who was a member of that group. I had a crush on her-if she had been interested in me who knows what would have happened.

I had several left of center professors but we had civilized debates and discussions. Two of them wrote me excellent letters of recommendation and one supported my participation in the Washington Semester Program at American University.


30 posted on 01/20/2019 7:03:15 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Dilbert San Diego

And when they’re flip the switch in their living room, the lights will come on. Always have, always will.


31 posted on 01/20/2019 7:07:29 AM PST by Spok
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To: Maine Mariner

Wow, good experience too! But the country was different then...no more debating with profs for conservatives - should they ever want a recommendation!


32 posted on 01/20/2019 7:10:34 AM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: I want the USA back

Not commonly recognized is that EVs use regenerative braking. When you slow down, the motors switch to ‘generate’ mode to recharge a little.

This does not activate the brake lights, with predictable results. We’ll see how this plays out in finding fault in rear-enders.


33 posted on 01/20/2019 7:10:42 AM PST by IgnaciKat ('m)
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To: Moonman62
And if you go over to the Tesla owner’s forum on Reddit, you’ll rarely see air quality or environmentalism mentioned.

There are lots of posts about performance, though.


A couple of weeks ago, I had a back-and-forth discussion with one of our own FR members, whose main attraction to the Tesla is the performance and good looks and technology.

No doubt, whatever subsidies he got, were from 'government', and not from 'taxpayers'.
34 posted on 01/20/2019 7:12:03 AM PST by adorno
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To: IgnaciKat

Shouldn’t matter. It’s always ‘following too close.’


35 posted on 01/20/2019 7:13:42 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: sparklite2

And that Tesla stopped for no apparent reason? Say, on the freeway?


36 posted on 01/20/2019 7:16:53 AM PST by IgnaciKat ('m)
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To: Libloather
Ending capitalism has always been the goal.

Very true.

And, one of the major steps towards socialist/communist control of the economy, is to control the energy sector. To control the energy sector, and directly that vehicles sector, they have to implement the 'feel good' electric-vehicles 'save-the-world' mantra.

Energy is the life-blood of a country's entire economy. Control the energy sector, you control the economy.
37 posted on 01/20/2019 7:17:44 AM PST by adorno
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To: Libloather

They are just now asking this question? We’ve been saying yes for years.


38 posted on 01/20/2019 7:18:04 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Libloather

The Left will acknowledge the environmental impact of electric cars just as soon as we are all in them. Then they will push us out of cars entirely. Just look at what they did with diesel in Europe.


39 posted on 01/20/2019 7:18:55 AM PST by The Pack Knight
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To: Libloather

When you look at the super high levels of EMF exposure to your cells, and especially in the back seats where you put your kids.....anyone worried about cellular EMF exposure, should be super duper worried about electric cars and hybrids. Maybe that’s why liberals push these. Perhaps a form of popluation control: increase risk of cancer to the living?? And increase risk of taterogenic exposure to the womb or or spermatic, or oogenic defect.


40 posted on 01/20/2019 7:23:36 AM PST by inchworm
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