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To: BroJoeK; Fai Mao; familyop
To BroJoeK --

I most certainly DID watch both entire vids. Go to near the end of the 2nd vid where the narrator is talking about the 'peace loving nations of the world' and on screen we see flags flying closely together, including the Soviet flag. There is plenty more regarding "the world" doing this and doing that, along with images to reinforce the narration. Are you blind to the methods of propaganda, and / or the point of view the vid comes from?

Don't get me wrong: The Nazis and their sympathizers needed to be smashed into oblivion, and Germany beaten to a pulp, then kept in a chokehold for a bit, in order to end the threat of a militaristic Germany for good. Ditto for Japan. This required continued Allied cooperation -- temporary as it was. But including the Soviets in 'peace loving nations of the world' is almost farcical propaganda, and one only has to go back a few years to find examples of most of the major "Allies", including ourselves (See: Philippines & Spanish-American War) doing some rather questionable (at best) things.

For that matter, we the USA in alliance with, among others, some of our old partners, have taken very dubious actions in our recent past (Libya, Syria). For now I will set all that aside.

However, the issue of "empire" as you define it -- and I will for the moment accept your definition -- is not necessarily the same as that of one world government, which is then not the same as the issue of globalism or empire. Setting "empire" per your definition aside as well, we still have one world government and globalism to be cognizant of.

To miss the obvious agendas of several parts of the 2nd vid is just, like I said... blind, at best.

Now, as to America's overall role in the world, yes America as a PEOPLE have generally steered away from empire building, over-entangling alliances, one world government, loss of sovereignity, and more recently, globalism (Thank you George Washington!). I agree that in general we HAVE supported freedom and self-government, even when at times the people we intended to help were not ready for such (See, IRAQ, recently, and some would argue, Philippines, after WW2.) However, considerable numbers of the "elites" have always pushed in one or more of those negative directions I mentioned: Empire, over-entangling alliances, one world government, loss of sovereignity, and more recently, globalism. This sadly includes most of our recent Presidents, to one degree or another. At certain points, large chunks of the population have been swayed in some of those ways too ("Manifest Destiny" and Philippines again come to to mind as an example. "Open borders" is another.) Even today, how many lib / Dem voters support, in effect, loss of sovereignity and a sort of subjugation to the world as a whole? We must steer away from those things, but isolationism is a fool's path as well.

I might say I view America sort of like my wife: She is not perfect, but I love her dearly, would die for her, and IMO there is no better. :-)

In closing, getting back to the vids, both present a lot of fascinating and useful information, but both also are incomplete, and come at the viewer from particular points of view, which then one should try to take realistically and objectively into account. One might say, it is possible to read too much between the lines, and it is possible to see too little between the lines.

Have a good day.

22 posted on 11/11/2018 6:59:35 PM PST by Paul R.
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To: Paul R.; BroJoeK; Fai Mao

I agree with Paul R. on his whole comment #22 except maybe the mention of Syria. Allowing the forming nuclear-capable axis to gain a stronger foothold there would be a strategic error in my opinion. At the same time, getting involved in Syria was not a happy thing. There are negative consequences either way.


23 posted on 11/11/2018 7:26:04 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: Paul R.; Fai Mao
Paul R.: "I most certainly DID watch both entire vids. Go to near the end of the 2nd vid "

There's only one video link at the beginning of this thread.
It says nothing about "peace loving nations".

Paul R.: "But including the Soviets in 'peace loving nations of the world' is almost farcical propaganda, "

Agreed, but that was not in the video linked at the beginning of this thread.

Paul R.: " Setting "empire" per your definition aside as well, we still have one world government and globalism to be cognizant of.
To miss the obvious agendas of several parts of the 2nd vid is just, like I said... blind, at best."

I know nothing about a second video.
Where was that posted?

Paul R.: "I might say I view America sort of like my wife: She is not perfect, but I love her dearly, would die for her, and IMO there is no better. :-)"

{sigh}

25 posted on 11/12/2018 5:30:54 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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