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Gun Control Advocate Misrepresents Massachusetts Court Decision on Common Rifles
Gun Watch ^ | 22 July, 2018 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 07/22/2018 7:05:14 AM PDT by marktwain



In an interview in Mother Jones, a leading gun control advocate, Avery Gardner, makes the following claims. From motherjones.com:
AG: There’s a case in Massachusetts that raises this exact issue. Worman v. Baker was decided in April by Judge William Young. It’s a 47-page opinion that really goes into this question of “in common use at the time” and said that’s the standard. Judge Young quotes Scalia’s opinion in Heller all the way through it and then upholds the Massachusetts law banning assault weapons. That case is going to be appealed to the First Circuit Court of Appeals. The Second, Fourth, Seventh, and the DC Circuit have all upheld assault weapons ban, so I predict the First Circuit will, too, but somebody’s going to appeal that to the Supreme Court, and we will have this discussion about what does “in common use at the time” mean? I think it’s likely that Judge Kavanaugh will be Justice Kavanaugh by then. And we know what he thinks because he already told us—he wrote that dissent in the DC case.
Avery Gardner (AG) misstates what Judge William Young writes in his opinion. In Worman v. Baker, Judge Young does not rely on the "in common use at the time" argument. He instead makes the claim that AR15 rifles are "most useful in military service", and therefore are not covered by the second Amendment.

That claim turns the 1939 Miller decision on its head. He bases his claim on Justice's Scalia's words that the Heller decision does not invalidate the federal regulation of full auto firearms such as machine guns.

Judge Williams pointedly rejects the "in common use" argument, stating that because AR15 type rifles have military purposes, they fall completely outside the scope of the Second Amendment, whether they are in common use or not. He rejects the Caetano decision from the Supreme Court, in favor of other appellate decisions the Supreme Court refused to hear.

The Heller decision is clear. The weapons protected are those in common use. From U.S. v. Heller:
Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment . We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997) , and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001) , the Second Amendment extends, prima facie,to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.
The "common use at the time" phrase used by Justice Scalia refers to the time the Miller decision was written, in 1939, not to the time the amendment was passed, in 1791. Avery Gardiner either mis-read the rather plain English in Justice Scalia's opinion, or is misrepresenting it.

In the Caetano decision by the Supreme Court in 2016, the Court unanimously upheld that the Second Amendment applies to all bearable arms, "even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding".

The Supreme Court has rejected the theory that the Second Amendment only applies to those arms in common use in 1791.

The theory that the Second Amendment does not apply to arms that are militarily useful is not the only error in Judge Young's decision.

Judge Young starts his decision by claiming the Second Amendment was not considered an individual right until recently.  From Worman v. Baker:
For most of our history, mainstream scholarship considered the Second Amendment as nothing more than a guarantee that the several states can maintain "well regulated" militias.
The idea that the Second Amendment only applies to "well regulated" militias is known as the "collective right theory". Judge Young's claim is in direct contradiction to the majority opinion written by Justice Scalia in Heller.  From Heller:
It is demonstrably not true that, as Justice Stevens claims, post, at 41–42,“for most of our history, the invalidity of Second-Amendment-based objections to firearms regulations has been well settled and uncontroversial.” For most of our history the question did not present itself.
Judge Young only quotes select sources from 1966, 1978, and 1971 to support his collective right claim. But historical sources show the judge is mistaken.  The collective right theory had almost no adherents until the Kansas Supreme Court adopted it in 1905. But the Kansas Supreme Court decision only applied to the Kansas State Constitution's right to bear arms.

The collective right theory, applied to the Second Amendment, started to become part of Progressive ideology after the Kansas Supreme Court decision.

It became popular after 1939 with mis-interpretation of the Miller decision. The veracity of the theory was not supported by academic research. It was merely assumed. The theory started being attacked in law review articles in 1983.

Critique of the collective right theory went mainstream when famed constitutional scholar Sanford Levinson penned his article "The Embarrassing Second Amendment".

The collective right theory was mainstream from after 1939 to 1983, for 44 years, unsupported by academic research. For most of the history of the Second Amendment, from 1791 to 2018,  the mainstream opinion has been that the Second Amendment protected an individual right.

Williams' poorly argued decision was published on 5 April, 2018, before Justice Kennedy decided to retire. The Supreme Court had been unwilling to hear Second Amendment cases since 2011, outside of Caetano. Judge Williams might have presumed the Court would refuse to hear his case. He may have thought the First Circuit would also ignore Caetano.

Caetano applied directly to Massachusetts. There is a chance the First Circuit will follow the Caetano decision and reverse Judge Young's ruling. As Avery Gardner notes, there is an excellent chance Judge Kavanagh will be seated on the Supreme Court as Justice Kavanagh by that time.

Judge Kavanagh has already written that semi-automatic rifles are protected by the Second Amendment. 

If Worman v. Baker is appealed to the Supreme Court, there is an excellent chance the court will restore more Second Amendment rights. The existing infringements on the right to keep and bear semi-automatic rifles are fairly new, enacted in the last 25 years in a handful of states.

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It is nothing new for the gun control elite to lie or misrepresent court cases.

This example is pretty clear.

1 posted on 07/22/2018 7:05:14 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“In common use” is the wrong standard when full auto is effectively banned. It uses circular logic to affirm validity of the de facto ban.


2 posted on 07/22/2018 7:11:54 AM PDT by MortMan (The white board is a remarkable invention.)
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To: marktwain

Miller has been mis-construed either, by persons with no comprehension skills, or, more likely, deliberately almost since the ruling was made.


3 posted on 07/22/2018 7:34:45 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: marktwain

Here is my favorite link to a highly suppressed 1982 Senate report on the RKBA. Skim down to the court cases of the 1800s and see what state courts thought of the 2nd Amendment. I personally think Nunn Vs. Ga is correct. Betcha can’t find a complete copy of this on line.

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/87senrpt.pdf

THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS...1982, 97TH CONGRESS..

“The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second
amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major
commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected
is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner.”

19. *
Nunn v. State
, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243, at 251 (1846).
“’The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.’ The right of the whole people,
old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every
description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or
broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing
up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State.”


4 posted on 07/22/2018 7:37:23 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: marktwain

Hard to believe that in the 1600s and 1700s citizens of Massachusetts were required by law to travel armed, and take their firearms to church on Sundays.


5 posted on 07/22/2018 7:39:13 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: marktwain
Thanks for this article.

He instead makes the claim that AR15 rifles are "most useful in military service", and therefore are not covered by the second Amendment.

I'd like this hack judge to show me an army that has AR15s as their standard battle rifle. And, as you said, that statement flies in the face of Miller.

6 posted on 07/22/2018 7:59:55 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victikms, and control freaks.)
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To: MortMan
“In common use” is the wrong standard when full auto is effectively banned. It uses circular logic to affirm validity of the de facto ban.

Well said.

7 posted on 07/22/2018 8:01:06 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victikms, and control freaks.)
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To: rktman

Re; Miller, don’t know if you’ve seen this:

http://guncite.com/journals/dencite.html


8 posted on 07/22/2018 8:03:09 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victikms, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi

Interesting. Sadly, the NFA itself was based on BS and fear of gangsters and shoot outs everywhere.


9 posted on 07/22/2018 8:16:50 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: rktman

Yes, another gift from Chicago.


10 posted on 07/22/2018 8:35:27 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victikms, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi
🤔. That and Navy boot camp at GLNTC. Company 380 August 1967. Hey, that's a long time ago! When did that happen?
11 posted on 07/22/2018 9:55:30 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: MileHi; All

Miller was a complete set-up by the Charles Schumer of the day. Judge Ragon was an anti-gun extremist, appointed by FDR from a congressional seat to a federal court in Arkansas.

He was the judge who did everything to manipulate the case to the Supreme Court and per-determine the outcome.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/12/dean-weingarten/subverting-second-amendment-us-v-miller/


12 posted on 07/22/2018 10:33:48 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain; rktman

Thanks for that link. Crooked democRats are nothing new.


13 posted on 07/22/2018 10:58:04 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victikms, and control freaks.)
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To: marktwain

Good info. Not that it’ll change anything. LOL! At least some people will know the truth.


14 posted on 07/22/2018 11:07:59 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: MileHi

Crooked democRats are nothing new.


It goes back at least to the Progressive era.

Progressives, in theory, reject God and all limitations on government. They accept no limits on behavior. Whatever gets them what they want is considered acceptable.


15 posted on 07/22/2018 11:49:10 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: MortMan

It’s what’s in common use by militaries.


16 posted on 07/22/2018 2:48:24 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is ba fraud.)
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To: marktwain

Yessir, that is right.


17 posted on 07/22/2018 7:16:00 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victikms, and control freaks.)
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