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ROBERT E. LEE: OUR GREATEST GENERAL?

Posted on 06/22/2018 11:46:12 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET

That was according to my 8th grade history teacher-retired military. The only one who came close was MacArthur. That brings up the politics of the left. If it is true that Lee was a great General isn't it at least worth acknowledging? This tearing down of statues should stop. Educated persons should acknowledge the truth. It's the left that's the intelligent ones as they would have us believe. I see no conservatives standing up for this truth. The Senate GOP candidate in Virginia should start an 'intellectual' conversation on Lee and let the left react. Don't wait for a baiting reporter to to knee-jerk him into a quick response that they can interpret their own way.


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KEYWORDS: dixie; militaryhistory; robertelee
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To: DoodleDawg

I’m not arguing with you. You are like the anvil upon which I hammer my arguments for the benefit of others. :)


261 posted on 06/22/2018 3:45:10 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: miss marmelstein

The very first ship of Africans to arrive in the US was Dutch and they traded their cargo for goods with the original colonists of Hampton Roads, Virginia. Technically, they were indentured servants and not slaves.
While the Brits were dominant in the “triangular trade” the whole of western Europe and the Africans themselves were buyers and sellers.


262 posted on 06/22/2018 3:45:35 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

The South decided not to ship cotton for two years. The North knew this. The South could only manufacture 60 percent of the artillery, rifles and powder used by the army. The Union navy interdicted what they could. But the blockade did not really become effective until 1864.


263 posted on 06/22/2018 3:45:40 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Snickering Hound
What was actually happening was that they were using Indian indentured servitude that was slavery in all but name as forced labor while denying other countries access to that cheap agricultural labor source.

I've said for a long time that without the Union interdicting Southern Cotton going to European markets, the only way a foreign company could compete would be to use slaves themselves.

264 posted on 06/22/2018 3:46:54 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
Fine... whatever. I had a direct decedent fight with George Washington (I am a member of SAR). I also had another ancestor fight in the Union army: I thank God that that ancestor wasn't with Grant, the butcher. You can overlook quite a lot... but to let wounded men lay on the battlefield for four days because you had too much pride to admit defeat shows a complete disregard for his troops and human life in general.

These are not things that simply come with winning a war. He was a butcher.

265 posted on 06/22/2018 3:48:00 PM PDT by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: DoodleDawg
Didn't stop him in 1862 and 1863.

He didn't have Grant's Army and logistics then did he? He wouldn't have needed to invade anybody if he had Grant's army and logistics. Nobody would have dared attack him except through dire necessity.

As the North had no necessity to attack the South, the war would have never been began.

266 posted on 06/22/2018 3:48:28 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: miss marmelstein; DiogenesLamp
How can an American not feel impacted by this great event, for God’s sake??!

No roots. Or shallow ones. Not their history. It's similar to why the likes of Nikki Haley will blithely taliban the South of its symbols. They have no interest in it and no respect for it, other than how it can be used for politically acceptable posturing.

Gore Vidal's family goes back on his mother's side, one of the families owning land that became Washington DC.

Norman Podhoretz' parents immigrated to the US.

267 posted on 06/22/2018 3:48:52 PM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: outofsalt

Of course, you’re right.

It’s just that the Brits are obsessed with our race problems, refusing to admit they had anything to do with it. Same with their activities in South Africa!


268 posted on 06/22/2018 3:50:16 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: DiogenesLamp
Lincoln urged passage of the "Corwin Amendment" that would have made it permanent.

Please explain to your rapt audience how Slavery would have been made permanent by the Corwin Ammendment.

269 posted on 06/22/2018 3:51:50 PM PDT by HandyDandy (This space intentionally left blank.)
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To: rockrr

Davis never had any control over the war. Control of the war was always in Lincoln’s hands.


270 posted on 06/22/2018 3:52:27 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You are right that Lincoln’s emancipation proclamation did not apply to the “border” states that had slavery. Maryland, Missouri, West Virginia, and Tennessee were exempt.
In addition, Delaware and Kentucky ended slavery when the 13th ammendment was ratified in 1865


271 posted on 06/22/2018 3:54:23 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: Pelham

Pelham - you are a treasure as well as a genius. You have exactly caught the problem: shallow roots vs. deep roots.

I will never, ever forgive what Haley did in SC. Never, ever. She only follows at the UN what Mr. Trump tells her to follow. If she had her own way, God knows what she would say.

My family goes back to before the Civil War - not a long time and they were mostly pretty cowardly, lol, but I treasure how long they were on American earth versus Irish dirt. It makes a difference, doesn’t it?


272 posted on 06/22/2018 3:55:00 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: DiogenesLamp

What, was he home smoking doobies and watching cartoons on the TV the whole time?


273 posted on 06/22/2018 3:56:02 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: HandyDandy
Read Lincoln's first inaugural address. He says it quite explicitly.

Lincoln supported an amendment to protect slavery.

Here. Let this black Boston College law professor explain it to you.

http://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2013/02/18/the-other-13th-richard-albert

Here is the original proposed 13th amendment.

"No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.

274 posted on 06/22/2018 3:56:31 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: miss marmelstein

Afrikaners in South Africa are more Dutch than British.

Though I’m not fully up on SA, I believe the Africans there were not native but imported.


275 posted on 06/22/2018 4:01:08 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Declaring that he had “no objection” isn’t the same as supporting it. It was a mistake on Lincoln’s part as he soon discovered by the south’s treacherous behavior.


276 posted on 06/22/2018 4:01:52 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: miss marmelstein; DoodleDawg
It is not speculation - it was and is obviously true if one reads history without an agenda or an ax to grind.

Primary sources from those who were with Lee and knew of such an infirmity flaring at Gettysburg? Citations from reputable historians?

If so i'd be real interested in seeing it. Please link them here if you have them handy. --Thanks.

What is known is that Lee did have bouts of what we would today call Angina Pectoris, but no contemporary evidence that he suffered any such attacks during the Gettysburg Campaign exists. If you have such evidence, please point to it. Again, thanks ahead of time.

He did suffer from what appears to be dysentery during the Gettysburg Campaign, but appears to have recovered by the third day.

Other men, even commanders have served remarkably well under similar circumstances. The first name that would come to mind is Major General Frank Merrill of the famous Merrill's Marauders in the China-Burma theatre of WWII. A close second, maybe even first, would be Brigadier General Theodore Roosevelt Jr.

277 posted on 06/22/2018 4:04:21 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; DiogenesLamp; miss marmelstein
2) Regardless of the actual motives behind it —economic or otherwise: the Emancipation Proclamation signed by Lincoln was the first major step setting African-Americans on the path towards freedom..

Except for the two previous emancipation proclamations.

One of these inspired the rebel Governor of Virginia to complain that the Union forces were setting his own slaves free. And he wanted the Virginia general leading the rebel army to do something about it.

The rebel governor was Thomas Jefferson, the general was Washington, the Union forces were those of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, which included the British North American colonies in open rebellion.

The two emancipation proclamations were the Dunmore's and the Philipsburg proclamations. If London had defeated the "traitors" then slavery in north America could have ended 90 years earlier.

278 posted on 06/22/2018 4:05:55 PM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

I don’t link. If you want to read up on his heart problems, do the work yourself.


279 posted on 06/22/2018 4:09:40 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: outofsalt

Yes, Afrikaners are Dutch, British are British and they fought over that land. From what I’ve read, and I’m no expert, black Africans, were imports to the area.


280 posted on 06/22/2018 4:12:29 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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