[servantboy777]

I don’t believe the broad brush “ALL” Muslims this or that. There are good folks out there that do not believe in violence. I work with one fella and there is nothing that would lead me to believe he’d be a threat. In fact, speaking with him, he seems to be a bit of a liberal Muslim.

[papertyger]

There are good folks out there that do not believe in violence.

Then why identify as a muslim?

That's like calling yourself a Christian, but denying the afterlife.

[Lurkinanloomin]

Again, trust a muslim at your own peril.

[Georgia Girl 2]

The difference between the good Muslims and the bad Muslims is that the bad Muslims want to cut your head off. The good Muslims just want to watch. :-)

[Cronos]

And I know fine people who are of Mohammaden origin. But the key, or rather common factor between them is that they are BADmoslems - i.e. they do not generally read the Q, four of them hardly pray, 3 do, but it is more a "spiritual" prayer and they barely attend themosques

The problem is the philosophy incapsulated in the Quran+hadiths+sira

These are written in archaic Arabic (and as someone who grew up in Bahrain and could speak pretty fluent colloquial Arabic) - which even Arabic speakers of today can't fully understand (akin to Middle English (Chaucer) and present-day English)

The Q is incomprehensible:

• It is ordered by length, not chronologically
• It doesn't have complete "stories" like in the Bible - it consists of passages like "Do you know of Noah who did xyz. Remember him" - so like hearing people talk about other people's adventures when you don't know the latter
• There is the rule in the Koran that later verses supersede earlier verses (chronologically) -- and of course the problem is that the verses (surahs) are put in the Quran by length, not chronologically. So chaos!
• Much of the stuff in the Q is also incomprehensible even to someone who knows and understands archaic Arabic as it
  1. contains Arabic words not used anywhere else
  2. contains Persian and Aramaic words
• The hadiths try to explain this as they are a collectino of sagyings, but the problem is
  1. There are 3 "authorized" collections of Hadiths (Al Bukhari, Al-Muslim and the third that I can't recall) -- mostly they agree with each other, but not always
  2. There are plenty of other Hadiths that aren't acknowledged
  4. The collections themselves date nearly 150 years after Muhammad allegedly lived
  5. The only way a Hadith is verified is by a version of Chinese whispers - namely that this Hadith was told to A by B who heard it from C who heard it from D who saw Mo do this -- the A,B, C need to be "upstanding Muslims" - all hearsay as you can imagine
• And by the way the Quran itself was only written down nearly a century after M allegedly lived
• And 50 years later the Caliph burnt different versions of the Q to keep only one standard version (an Abbasid caliph)

So most Mohammadens, even those who want to learn about their religion give up.

Others don't really want to know - they have a mystical philosophy and it can be non-violent

So these folks are the "good" Ms we know -- but in reality they are BAD Mohammadens are they don't truly follow the Q+H+S

The ones who bother to study in detail either get fed up or decide not to know or leave the faith mentally (but not formally as it leads to ostracism or worse)