Posted on 03/23/2018 11:17:53 PM PDT by ResisTyr
POTUS Trump just signed an Omnibus bill, NOT a federal budget! The appropriations in the bill are "suggestions" of how Trump SHOULD spend the money. Since this is not a budget, Trump is not bound by The Constitution to spend the money as appropriated. The Demonrats screwed themselves again by not passing a federal budget. I'm here to tell you that Trump's Wall shall indeed be funded with money from this Omnibus bill! President Donald J. Trump outsmarted these fools, once again!! Haahaa!!
Just think what he could have done had he not been sitting on his ass this whole time trying to get impeached.
And it might be a little easier to get things accomplished if he didn't have the entire world, the entire media, half the country, all of the DC Swamp and Deep Staters and even some of his own supporters, attacking him on a daily basis.
Oh, and by the way, I'm not interested in listening to all of your moaning, groaning and complaining about Trump.
I'm willing to let him do his job. He's got enough problems without his fair-weather supporters leaving his back left exposed when he's got enemies on every flank trying to bring him down.
LOL
You made an assertion. Back it with written law.
Otherwise you’re just another guy claiming Trump is playing 49928488-dimensional chess.
This is true it’s why zero never wanted a budget his entire time he could spend however he wanted.
Don’t jump ship too fast, Trump just suckered them again. The bill is NOT a law, a budget is, this is not a budget. This is how an Omnibus bill works...
https://iotwreport.com/hols...
They just gave Trump a Trillion dollar blank check just like they did with Obama for 8 years and he spent it as he saw fit, I’m betting Trump will do the same.
No of course not
We have culture liberals here who are prolific and have been here since 97/98/99
Stormer always comes to mind
He’s in my opinion lefty on most things or at least contrarian and loves to calls folks racist
But he’s been here forever
The exodus from here to more liberal mad Ivan’s soon to implode site wideawakes in 2006 or 2007 included mostly pioneer freepers who eschewed Christian conservatism
So yes point taken
My observation is about sleeper accounts or activist PAC type accounts
I think groups keep unused accounts on the shelf to promote agendas during primaries or contentious party conflicts
And that blog and website agitprop ops go on here as well
I’d bet my life Jonah Goldberg posts here as a perennial south basher
A moderate black GOPe DC area group has been caught here twice attempting racial subterfuge like racist freepmails to black posters
Some posters also fixate only on trying to paint the forum as anti Semite
When I see an old account rarely used and when used it proffers some talking point I’m suspicious
During amnesty war here 12 years ago I was zotted two years we had open borders Koch types here running bait threads over and over and organized
The GOP itself had a foothold here....Karl Rove handiwork
When Trump announced I wayched two monikers pop up from nowhere with catchy descriptive female names running pro Trump stuff 24/7 and freepmails talking points from the Trump camp to sympathetic folks like me
I’ve been on train Trump (Cruz first) after Trump started taking so candidly say early 2015 and sealed it without question after the first debate when he fought back against The Roaring Blonde Irish Vagina
So I don’t mind Trump plants here
Sadly though we are less an impact than before
And there are what Rush would call seminar posters on all conservative sites
Breitbart
Taki
Townhall etc
I’m sure it’s the same on Beast or HuffPo
HuffPo is huge though
Anyhow have a nice weekend
then stay off the site.
I’m not a blind syncophant. I support conservative actions. Liberals follow blindly.
If you don’t want to be around people that think and evaluate, you best find another place.
I’m a Trump supporter. He’s our last chance. But he is human and can make mistakes - or more likely, gets worn down because all of DC is fighting him. It might be impossible for him to do what he said he would, given the corruption in DC.
But I won’t be cheering that illegals will ruin the country. The truth is the truth. DJT is our last chance, but even he may not be able to turn around this sinking ship. But I won’t be blind to it.
You can live in some fake reality if you like.
https://iotwreport.com/holster-your-pitchforks-and-torches-4-level-omnibus-chess-afoot/
Holster Your Pitchforks and Torches – 4 Level Omnibus Chess Afoot????
March 23, 2018 BFH Uncategorized 75
Reader “Gunny” at Conservative Treehouse explains that this is a spending bill, not a budget. There is a YUGE difference. Trump observed Obama’s technique for 8 years, can he be taking a page from that playbook?
MJA said the same thing to me a couple of hours ago. In the fog of war, I wasn’t hearing it.
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Wheatietoo and I spent hours yesterday providing links, researching the laws, the 1974 law and statutes…. Do you know why the Omnibus is not going to get any notice…Here it is..
It’s not an official ‘Federal Budget’. It’s an Omnibus bill…not a Budget…He outsmarted them again…Congress basically screwed themselves by not passing a Budget…
Per the Constitution…the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein.
This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget..
An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some ‘instructions’ as to how the money will be spent…but Obama ignored them.
He spent the money, or didn’t spend it, however he wanted to.
And Congress didn’t do a thing about it! Because they couldn’t..
And, it is only for 6 months..
I think our President observed how this happened, year after year.
He is bound to realize that those ‘appropriations’ for different things in these Omnibus bills…are merely ‘suggestions’.
So like Obama, Pres Trump can spend this money on whatever he wants to.
Or…not spend it.
Planned Parenthood?
What if our President decided to tell the Treas Dept to ‘slow-walk’ that money to Planned Parenthood…until the Senate gets off their ass and confirms his appointees?
Sanctuary Cities?
What if our President decided to ‘slow-walk’ that money too…until those Sanctuary Cities assist ICE in rounding up criminal illegal aliens?
Splodey heads? From the Dems and the Enemedia?
Why yes.
There would be a colorful display of splodey heads.
But what could they do about it.
Hah.
Our President could just say…’What! Congress should’ve passed a Budget.’
done finished…research was done…and it is so very humorous actually….our VSG..just said just give me money for the military and the wall…put anything else you want in it…and those goofballs did.
In this case, as per above….he doesn’t have to spend a dime….because it is not a budget…and even if it was…researched….he could still spend as he please…
Congress appropriates….up to the President to spend it…or not….as he pleases..
If anyone disagrees, I can go back and get the links and evidence, but if you just read yesterdays political thread…Wheatietoo and I laid it all out for all…Wheatietoo did most of the work and put together the consolidated update as per above….
Again, that is why Obama never had a Budget in his Presidency…Congress did continual Omibus’s and he just took the money….for 8 years…and no one seems to know where it went…
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The way I read this Trump has outsmarted everyone again.
when i heard that he had signed on to a 1.3 trillion dollar spending bill that the dems were simply thrilled with the first thing i thought is the many times i have been tagged by Trump.
Every time I have questioned the guy he has come out on top and I was on the bottom looking up.
Lets face it this guy is always the smartest one inthe room and this time is no exception.
When you think about it there is no way he would have signed onto something like this any more than he would have let Mueller run roughshod over his personal life or that of his family.
I’m betting he has both under control.
It's a suggestion not a budget big difference. They carry different levels of meaning.
Time to say “bye, bye”. Have a great day.
It's not an official 'Federal Budget'. It's an Omnibus bill…not a Budget…He outsmarted them again…Congress basically screwed themselves by not passing a Budget…
Per the Constitution…the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein. This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget.. An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some 'instructions' as to how the money will be spent…but Obama ignored them. He spent the money, or didn't spend it, however he wanted to. And Congress didn't do a thing about it! Because they couldn't..
Lot of people with personal problems around here ready to sell out trump in a heartbeat.I did it earlier in the year and somelast year. I got burnt every time on every issue. Finally I learned my lesson. This guy is the real deal. We are lucky to have him. We need to stop killing the best potus we have had since Reagan.
He knows exactly what he is doing.
It's those trying to read the teas leaves that are always getting it wrong.
My money will remain on Trump.
I couldn’t agree more. Thanks.
Great post!! Finally someone who gets it.
We need more confidence in our potus!He is the first President on our side since Reagan this it no the time to give him a hard time.
Same here. I have been burned so many times going against stuff he has done only to find out I was wrong time after time. Now I sit back and watch to see what is really going on.Trump is a brilliant strategist many just don’t see it.
I do not tweet.
Before everyone jumps off the Trump train over the spending bill, there are a few things you should know. Once upon a time, when Congress actually worked together, 12 appropriation bills would be created to fund discretionary spending in the government.
The trend became to jam all the items in one big bill called an Omnibus Spending Bill because the various factions of the Congress refused to pass the needed 12 appropriations bills to keep the government running. With Trump’s signature, Congress now has until September 30 to come up with appropriations for a budget. Which they won’t do, and will likely just pass another continuing resolution.
In other words, we have not had an actual “budget” for some time now.
First, there are two different parts to the Federal Budget: Mandatory Spending and Discretionary Spending. Mandatory spending is for programs such as Medicare and Social Security. These are regulated by law and are over and above the appropriations process. Discretionary spending is supposed to be from 12 appropriations bills passed by Congress for things such as the Military, grants, agriculture, etc. The Omnibus Bill signed yesterday is for those programs- the discretionary part of the budget.
Brush Fire Managment
There is a difference between a budget and an Omnibus Spending bill.
Congress now uses “continuing resolutions” to fund the government in a piecemeal fashion rather than an actual budget. They do that because they can’t work together and everyone is pushing their own agenda rather than for the good of the United States. They are moving from crisis to crisis rather than having a genuine budget that would reduce the pork.
Let’s view this here:
“The budget and spending process of the United States federal government is a complex one. The United States budget process traditionally begins when the President of the United States submits a budget request to Congress. The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 requires the President to submit the budget to Congress for each fiscal year, which is the 12-month period beginning on October 1 and ending on September 30 of the next calendar year. ....................
Now let’s look at what happened during the Obama administration (and sometimes even before):
2013 Shutdown
The president is required to submit his budget the first Monday in February. In 2013, Obama didn’t turn his budget in until April 10, 2013. The House and Senate were unreconcilable on their versions, and adding a third one made it impossible to work together.
Congress tried to go with the regular appropriations process, but it became impossible for the factions to reconcile their differences. So they passed “continuing resolutions.” The government shut down for 16 days in 2013 while parties bickered. When they did finally pass a continuing resolution, it only funded the government until a short time into 2014. The one in 2018 now has a deadline of the end of the fiscal year- September 30.
Note: These “continuing resolutions” also tend to RAISE THE DEBT CEILING, which is how the 2018 Omnibus Bill ended up at $1.3 Trillion. Congress has continually “suspended” the debt ceiling in favor of getting things through the legislature.
Does the President have “discretionary” power over the funds in the Omnibus Bill? Yes
Presidents can use their INFLUENCE over any items that have been appropriated, depending on the agencies involved. Obama used his to influence spending in agencies that were advancing his agenda.
In short, there is little information to tell us how appropriated money is actually spent. But there are still some rules.
Duke U noted,
“Nevertheless, while it is up to Congress to appropriate funds, it is also true that the President and the executive branch enjoy considerable discretion as to how those funds are spent. Existing studies tell us how the President formulates the budget and how Congress acts on the budget requests he submits. Surprisingly, we know relatively little about how the money, once appropriated, is actually spent.”
Example of limitations: Funds cannot be transferred from one account to another. According to Vanderbilt, “Some agencies, such as the Department of Defense, have limited authority to transfer a percentage of funds among their accounts (Tollestrup 2014, 13). Such authority usually comes with the requirement that the agency notify the appropriate committees in Congress when they do so.”
Moving money WITHIN an account is not as “observable” because the actual total of money remains the same. Funds can also be “deferred” or spent at another time.
Congress can “rescind” funds by legislative action as well (which means that they actually CAN withhold monies from Sanctuary cities).
The Office of Management and Budget has control over apportioning the funds to the specific agencies. There are a lot of gray areas that Presidents and even Congress can use to influence spending, but there is also a lot of paperwork required.
“These decisions are an omnipresent component of agency management across presidential administrations. What managers do with the spending discretion inherent in the executive function is structured by their understanding of the law, their beliefs about the continuing wishes of committees, and their views about what is best for their organization and policy.
The bulk of what happens with spending is not reviewed by congressional committees or staffs.(this is how obama rolled) Voluminous reporting requirements and the annual appropriations process provide committees regular opportunities to learn about agency choices if they choose to but managing the details of spending is difficult.”
Lump Sum Appropriations
From the beginnings of American history, lump sum appropriations have been a source of contention. Jeffersonian Republicans wanted legal restraints, while the Federalists wanted Executive discretion. They soon realized the making too many laws over the funding of specific appropriations was going to produce a quagmire of miniscule laws that would hamstring the government from working at all.
So we have today a mix of both:
mandatory spending and discretionary spending.
So does the President have the ability to use the funds as he chooses? Yes, to a point.
President Trump was not happy with the Omnibus Spending Bill of 2018, and voiced his displeasure up until he actually signed it at the last minute. He can’t take money from the Jordan Wall, for example to make his own wall, depending on where those monies are appropriated. But within the budget there are likely places where he can adjust the way the monies are spent.
All of that depends on what happens on September 30, and whether Congress is able to actually pass a real “budget.” Not holding our breath on that one.
First, he needed proposals and plans and then prototypes built for how the wall will be built.
Trump traveled to San Diego last week to inspect the prototypes than made the final cut.
He may use some of the funding from this omnibus bill to start building the wall initially.
Today, he floated an idea to build the wall out of the military funds because he called the wall a national security issue.
No matter how he does it, he is making progress even with Congress and his own party obstructing him the whole way.
And I believe he will keep his word and Mexico will end up paying for the cost of the wall. I think he had that figured out early on.
If you expected the entire wall to be built in the first year, no wonder you are disappointed and frustrated. Things this big in the real world just don't happen that way.
Good one. Spot on.
I wanted to check FR to see if Trump could spend the Omnibus the way he wanted.
Did other presidents do that? If so, why is Fox News complaining about it?
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