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The ever-receding Space Launch System
Behind the Black ^ | March 1, 2018 | Robert Zimmerman

Posted on 03/01/2018 3:06:16 PM PST by Voption

".... NASA has decided to forgo construction of a second mobile launcher for its Space Launch System (SLS). Instead, they will modify the one they have....The first mobile launcher was built and modified for an estimated $300 to $500 million. NASA obviously has decided that the politics & cost is too great, as would be the political embarrassment of admitting they spent about a half a billion for a launcher they will only use once...What this does however is push back the first manned SLS/Orion launch. At present, the first unmanned mission is likely to go in June 2020... If it takes 33 months after that launch to reconfigure the launcher for the first manned mission, that manned mission cannot occur any sooner than April 2023...."

(Excerpt) Read more at behindtheblack.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: budget; delay; elonmusk; falcon9; nasa; sls; spacex
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Science-writer & space-historian Zimmerman reminds us that by 2025 we will have paid close to $50 billion for SLS and Orion, and the best we can hope for is a single manned mission. And that one mission will have taken 21 years to go from concept to launch.
1 posted on 03/01/2018 3:06:16 PM PST by Voption
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To: Voption

If space is receding, we had better launch soon.


2 posted on 03/01/2018 3:10:47 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

That would be addressed here:
“Hubble finds new figure for the expansion-rate of the Universe”
[73 kilometers per second per megaparsec]

http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/points-of-information/hubble-finds-new-figure-for-universe-expansion-rate/


3 posted on 03/01/2018 3:14:39 PM PST by Voption
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To: Voption

I wonder how much of that money went into liberal Democrat politician pockets like Hillary Clinton through deceptive under the table dealings. It is hard to imagine all that money going for one rocket.


4 posted on 03/01/2018 3:16:11 PM PST by ReformedBeckite (1 of 3 I'm only allowing my self each day)
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To: Voption

There is something deliberately wrong with our space program.

They are trying to pass it off as stupidity. Its not. This is being done on purpose.

Powers that be do not want us up there. Don’t know why but they don’t.


5 posted on 03/01/2018 3:19:26 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Anything from “aliens” to very likely the insane lust of controlling people.


6 posted on 03/01/2018 3:24:39 PM PST by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: Voption

“the best we can hope for is a single manned mission”

NASA says it will be used for decades by various entities?


7 posted on 03/01/2018 3:28:57 PM PST by TexasGator (Z)
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To: Voption

At least when they land on Mars they can stay at the Bigelow hotel in Elon Musk city. If they have a reservation.


8 posted on 03/01/2018 3:30:34 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Secret Agent Man

This is being done on purpose.

Powers that be do not want us up there. Don’t know why but they don’t.

Maybe the same reason that the Apollo program was canceled, the real reason not the publicly announced one. Some very odd things occurred during the lunar mission and to the astronauts themselves - they cannot speak about how it felt to be on the moon, just the facts - for one.


9 posted on 03/01/2018 3:48:53 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

Maybe government is carrying the guilt of wasting so much money on a lie. That lie being that humans could not survive a trip outside of Earths orbit in the primitive “capsules” of the 1960’s and 70’s. If it is so easy, why have no other nations done it? Supposedly Tesla can launch and land booster rockets in a vertical position, while delivering a deep space probe, but the USA cannot even go to ISS without the help of the Ruskies. It is all very strange.....remember I said MAYBE....


10 posted on 03/01/2018 3:59:43 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: Voption

How long did it take us to get to the moon? Nine years?


11 posted on 03/01/2018 4:01:33 PM PST by wastedyears (Americans are dreamers too.)
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To: Voption

And how long did it take the Saturn V to reach the launch pad? I’m talking about from inception to the launch of Apollo 4.


12 posted on 03/01/2018 4:26:58 PM PST by NCC-1701 ((You have your fear, which might become reality; and you have Godzilla, which IS reality.))
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To: NCC-1701

The question is, what percentage of the budget was NASA given in 1960s dollars to launch Apollo? Try north of 10%.

Presently, NASA is on a fixed 0.5% portion of the Federal budget.

Lots of other misinformation in that article.


13 posted on 03/01/2018 4:40:50 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: NCC-1701

The program was announced in 1962 and the first flight was in 1967. So, about 5 years.

But that was with self-trained Germans running the program. It takes longer if you use American college trained boys.


14 posted on 03/01/2018 4:41:22 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

And I should have added the other factors which make it take longer.

1) Computers instead of slide rules
2) Affirmative Action instead of merit.


15 posted on 03/01/2018 4:42:29 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

3) Muslim outreach instead of manned launch systems
4) Global warming fake “science” instead of human space exploration

Beam me up, Scotty.


16 posted on 03/01/2018 5:45:45 PM PST by nickedknack
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To: Glad2bnuts

Hog wash.


17 posted on 03/02/2018 1:45:47 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
The first mobile launcher was built and modified for an estimated $300 to $500 million.
If memory serves, $500 million was the amount Musk and some venture cap investors spent to develop the working Falcon 9 launch system from scratch. Thanks Voption.

18 posted on 03/02/2018 11:38:42 AM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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If memory serves, $500 million was the amount Musk and some venture cap investors spent to develop the working Falcon 9 launch system from scratch. Thanks Voption.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the figure.

Musk also said in a recent interview they spent about $500 million on Falcon Heavy development, and he didn’t seem proud about it. Way too much.

As another comparison, Boeing is estimated to have spent $32 billion on 787 development.


19 posted on 03/02/2018 11:47:45 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: NCC-1701
Development of the F1 engines was begun in 1955 for a DoD requirement (deliver the Ed Teller H-bomb design to targets in Asia), picked up by NACA/NASA, and first test-fired in 1959 (4 years), cavitation problems were solved by 1961, in time for JFK in his frustration with apparent Soviet space leadership to set the US the goal of a man on the Moon. The first operational engine was delivered in 1963. The Saturn V first launched late in 1967. The F1 engines never had a failure through its last flight in 1973. [summary available on wikiped']

20 posted on 03/02/2018 11:52:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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