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An Open Letter to David Hogg
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/an-open-letter-to-david-hogg/ ^ | 2/28.2018 | John Velisek USN (Ret.)

Posted on 02/28/2018 10:54:12 AM PST by samovar123

I joined the military at 18, and having served 20 years I have seen a great part of the world we live in. Some of it was good, some of it not so much. I have fond memories of my time in the service. I was fortunate enough to give to my country. One of the first memories that I have occurred in boot camp in Camp Barry in North Chicago. The history we were shown about our country from the founding fathers to the formation of the first U. S. Navy will always be a guiding point of my life. One of the courses I remember the most was a course entitled “Rights and Responsibility”. In that course I was taught that the rights we enjoy in this, the most exceptional country in the world, were God given. I learned that those rights also came with responsibilities that must be adhered to. Those responsibilities are laid out in our founding documents, the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

One of those rights was the 2nd Amendment. The enforcement of the 2nd Amendment was for innumerable reasons, from hunting for food, to self defense, to the ability to overthrow a tyrannical government as set forth by our Founding Fathers.

The ability of our citizens to keep the guns that our Federal law have given them without question are now under attack by many who are fearful of guns. The progressive socialists and leftists quaintly call it “Gun Safety” with the full intent on working even further to confiscate the firearms that the citizens hold.

We find ourselves after another school shooting that the progressive socialists once again raise voices over the bidies of the victims. Not mentioned is the total breakdown of federal and local enforcement that could have kept Nikolas Cruz from getting any firearms. We now have children who will be traumatized for the rest of their lives for something that could have been prevented.

It was the PROMISE ACT implemented by Obama and his contempt of court Attorney General that set this massacre in motion. Because they were concerned about what they called a disproportionate number of blacks in prison they started the Promise Act to break the classroom to prison train. All it did was require that schools in the country allow violent and mentally ill students to harass the other students without fear of arrest . Nikolas Cruz was one of those students. All of this was done so that schools could get more federal funds.

One of the most vociferous agitators is a survivor of the shooting in Parkland. He has taken to speaking for all the students of the school and has pushed himself forward to be a strident voice for the victims. Although he has been all over the airwaves from CNN and MSNBC to late night shows to do nothing more than to force on citizens the progressive socialist talking points of gun control. There have been many of other survivors of the Parkland shooting who disagree with his anti-gun position, and they, like everyone else who disagrees with him have been shouted down and ridiculed for disagreeing with him.

Working with such groups as MoveOn.org, Planned Parenthood, and others, he has taken to making demands that are superfluous and meaningless.

Who is David Hogg and why should we care? He seems to think he is now a policy expert and can arrange for his thoughts and opinions to be taken seriously. How many times have you heard him on CNN or MSNBC slandering those who disagree with him or heard him say “I am not going to allow”. My first thought is who the hell does he think he is. The son of a supposed FBI agent father and a VIP mother who works for CNN (his own words) what makes him any more expert just because he was in the building next to where the shooting occurred? His condescending attitude and his inability to see past the myopic preening group that are his handlers is self serving. His present course will allow him to move forward in his future plans as either a journalist of politician, another progressive leftists that can lie easily and do nothing more than push the Alinsky principles forward. He is the perfect “victim” he can say and demean anyone he likes and lie about facts and can do it with impunity because he can always fall back on being a “victim”. Any who call out his lies or his demeaning of others will be set upon by the socialists who are cheering him on.

I find it informative that he has spoken in derogatory terms of Gov. Rick Scott and President Trump with absolutely no understanding of what actually happened. He needs to learn his civics and take a government class. The incompetent Broward Country Sherriff was not hired by the Governor but an elected official elected by the people within the county. Hogg does not mention that This same sheriff was in Chicago and an advocate for the PROMISE program mentioned above and a big Obama supporter before bringing his incompetence to Parkland.

David Hogg has called the NRA “child murderers” and has spoken about Dana Loesch being a bad mother. Once again the subject that he rants about is in a word ignorant and a lie. The NRA is a non-profit that does nothing more than safety training and protection of our 2nd Amendment rights. He talks of forcing corporations to sever ties with the NRA and yet can’t explain how that will help the situation. Neither CNN or MSNBC will stand up to a young man who wants the opportunity to be a victim and activist and allow him to wallow in his self serving political agenda. And who in their right mind think that according to Hogg’s PR firm that he has more credibility that the NRA or Dana Loesch.

This isn’t to say that David Hogg shouldn’t have a voice. I admit and will willingly listen to his ideas that may alleviate the gun challenges that we face, but hot when his main claim to fame is doing nothing more that demaning others, trying to discredit others and what is nothing more than a child stomping his feet to get others to agree with him. If he finds himself willing to talk with others on a equal basis, andlisten as well as speak perhaps there can be progress made. Not that he will listen, but a few suggestions for Hogg and his followers:

1. The NRA is a powerful organizations, but it is a fallacy that the “buy” politicians. This is a talking point that is nothing more than a “dog whistle” to the gun grabbers. Look at the list about who contributes and lobbies our government. You will find that the NRA are not even in the top 50 and barely makes the Top 100. If you want to say they are “buying” politicians, would it not be true to say the Planned Parenthood as well. (They are in the Top 10.) Would not that also be the murder of children? Attempting to mobilize the population against its 5 million members and those that are not members but those who are in agreement with the NRA’s policies is a tactic that will not succeed in pushing the anti-gun agenda. The NRA is instrumental in lobbying aginst the insufferable taxation, legislation and regulation that the anti-gun cabal will attempt to use to make guns and the privacy of owning one a thing of the past.

2. The media is behind you in the furthering of anti-gun propaganda, and Hogg has told one representative that thy will win because “we will outlive you”. Does he really think that the population and future voters will ALL agree with him? More and more people are agreeing with the NRA, no matter what lies you tell. Even some of your sycophants that are with you know will grow older and more conservative. You may very well find you mob rule backers being winnowed away when they get older and learn more. Even now, more than two thirds of voters blame the government failures that allowed this to happen.

3. Because you feel that you can espouse your thoughts and demands on the fact that you were a victim is irrelevant. If you are going to pontificate your testimony to the nodding heads of the mainstream media without pushback you are sadly mistaken. Calling the NRA child murderers, and calling for boycotts will be of little effect. You will find that your mass movement will be trickle compared to what you will face. You are not a “Lion” as you have called yourself, and the media has anointed you to be the “voice of change”. While I agree that there needs to be change, it will not be forced on the American people.

You have forced yourself into the political discourse that you know little about. You have bullied others and demeaned others for the simple fact that they disagree with you. This country does not respond well to demands made by someone who has little experience in the real world legislative, constitutional and historical perspective. And be forewarned, you have forced yourself into the arena of politics and you have no right to make demands of others whether corporations of individuals. And one more final thought. The United Sates is NOT a broken Democracy. Our country was founded as a Republic and is not broken but bent out of shape by those who would destroy it. It is dented because of people like David Hogg who rant and rave and insults those who disagree and of course his progressive socialist enablers and handlers. If you have something to say show it with facts and offer a way to make things better. But screaming or threatening those who disagree with you is not the answer, It is time you learn that.

And no, I am not an NRA member, and whether I own guns or not is not for anyone to know. That is my right under the 2nd Amendment.


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KEYWORDS: constitution; davidhogg; hitleryouthhogg; nra
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1 posted on 02/28/2018 10:54:12 AM PST by samovar123
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2 posted on 02/28/2018 10:56:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: samovar123

If this letter was copied and pasted, someone should have proof read for grammatical and/or spelling errors. Otherwise, good points.


3 posted on 02/28/2018 11:00:32 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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fix your typos and proofread

but otherwise, a good letter


4 posted on 02/28/2018 11:08:54 AM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: samovar123
Without any doubt, this kid has the right to speak out.

Also without any doubt, so do people who disagree with him.

The marketplace of ideas - over which the news media in all of its facets is SUPPOSED TO BE a neutral arbiter (except when a particular person, station or publication wishes to let the world know his/her/its opinion - which should be EXPLICITLY labeled as such) - should allow for any and all viewpoints to be listened to, and then processed for both factual accuracy and logical consistency. Regrettably, tragically, the news media has utterly failed in this regard, and is engaged in a highly partisan and highly deceptive campaign to convince people to support gun control/gun confiscation.

WRT this kid, what little I've seen of, and heard from, him shows that he is rather typical of most teenagers - which is to say that he lacks knowledge, experience and good judgment. To quote one opinion-maker that I heard last night: "Most teenaged girls are more concerned with keeping up a Snapchat streak; and most teenaged boys would, if given the opportunity, binge for days on Doritos and some Fast and Furious video game. I'm not about to let people of that caliber determine my civil rights, nor those of anyone else - because they are just not ready for it, not intellectually and not emotionally."

I'll give anyone reading this MY opinion: I'm not letting the cry-baby snowflakes of the Tide Pod generation decide ANYTHING for me, let alone something as important as my 2nd Amendment rights.

As for the "debate" on gun control (or, more accurately, the ignorant blatherings of a bunch of immature kids, name-calling all those who disagree with them), here are my thoughts:


5 posted on 02/28/2018 11:15:39 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: samovar123

Good letter.

The power of the NRA is NOT in money that it gives to candidates, causes, or political power.

It is the power of 5-6 million passionate voters to whom the anger of having their rights trampled on, diminished, or outright denied, far, FAR outweighs the “joy” leftists get at foisting their statist desires and schemes on the rest of us.

And NRA members vote and are vocal. In small elections and primaries where a thousand votes can make a the difference, NRA members as an ostensible single issue voting block can be counted on.

That is where the power of the NRA is.


6 posted on 02/28/2018 11:17:28 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette)
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To: samovar123

Hogg is just exercising his fundamental right to be stupid.


7 posted on 02/28/2018 11:21:31 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: rlmorel

Unfortunately, the 5 Million plus Members of the NRA, and I’m one of them, are outnumbered by the number of Illegal Invaders who Vote (with the blessings of the DemoncRat Party).


8 posted on 02/28/2018 11:23:21 AM PST by Kickass Conservative ( An Armed Society is a Polite Society. An Unarmed Society is North Korea.)
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To: Travis McGee

Congrats on the concern but ass holes like Hogg dont care what you have to say.
They have been indoctrinated since b4 birth.
Move on to bigger and better things


9 posted on 02/28/2018 11:30:36 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Travis McGee

10 posted on 02/28/2018 11:36:23 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: 1Old Pro
If this letter was copied and pasted, someone should have proof read for grammatical and/or spelling errors. Otherwise, good points.

Beat me to it.

11 posted on 02/28/2018 11:46:05 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (A year in Arizona... and I haven't burst into flames yet.)
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To: Mr. K
I wish this was given as a speech. I think that some of the shows on FOXNEWS, like the Ingraham Angle or Hannity would like this Retired USN Veteran to come on the show. Otherwise it just will be seen by us and not the General USA public.

Sorry if I didn't correct my spelling errors. Getting close to my afternoon break.

12 posted on 02/28/2018 11:48:26 AM PST by wmileo
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These kids don’t actually READ .... they txt in code


13 posted on 02/28/2018 11:48:42 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true)
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To: samovar123

I’m not too sure the Tide Pod munchers can even read!


14 posted on 02/28/2018 11:51:25 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing")
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To: Kickass Conservative

That is true, but they don’t vote with the reliability of the NRA members I would guess.

But, yes. It is a hard thing, that whole concept of someone such as many of us are, who look at issues, research them, discuss them, argue about them, and generally expend time and energy trying to make sure we make the right choice, only to have that vote cancelled out by a brainless moron (and often, a moron who cannot speak the language and knows nothing of any issues at all).

That IS discouraging.


15 posted on 02/28/2018 11:52:53 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette)
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To: samovar123

You assume to false premises. First that Attention Hogg can read. And Second that he can comprehend.

He is a public school student.


16 posted on 02/28/2018 11:54:37 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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I’m a full-fledged grammar nazi. The deterioration of grammar, punctuality, and spelling is downright alarming. On Tucker Carlson two nights ago one of their “screen bullets” read “warrents” instead of “warrants.” And it’s everywhere. I’ve been told that grammar has all but been eliminated from school curricula a)because it’s insulting to teach African-American youth “white English,” and b) it takes away precious class time better devoted to liberal indoctrination on matters like climate change, immigration,Trump bashing, gun control, trashing our Founders, our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and, of course, racism.

President Trump and patriots everywhere must begin a nationwide campaign to “Take Your Kids Out of Public School.” Our public schools are nothing but a form of legalized, institutionalized child abuse.


17 posted on 02/28/2018 12:14:37 PM PST by huckfillary
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The deterioration of grammar, punctuality, and spelling is downright alarming

Not to nit pick, but punctuality has to do with being on time. Punctuation is grammar related. Then again, a significant number of people are usually running late, so you're right. :)

18 posted on 02/28/2018 12:21:27 PM PST by Hoffer Rand (God be greater than the worries in my life, be stronger than the weakness in my mind, be magnified.)
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To: Ancesthntr

LOVE the graphic.


19 posted on 02/28/2018 12:45:31 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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Master Hogg won’t be bothered


20 posted on 02/28/2018 12:55:36 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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