Where is Fulton Sheen's Sainthood?

Canada Free Press ^ | 02/25/18 | Jim O'Neill

[Fiji Hill]

Keep in mind that in 1967, Sheen came out against our war effort in Vietnam.

[Oldexpat]

They are fighting about where to bury him. NYC or Peoria IL.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

You apparently don’t know what is meant by being recognized as a saint.

As a former Roman Catholic Alter Boy, now a Christian & saint, I do know.

More importantly, I know the definition God gives in Holy Scripture and it requires none of what you refer to friend.

[sparklite2]

I think ‘miracles’ too often are used to deny the efforts and accomplishments of humans. It is as if achievement is embarrassing.

Some amazing medical procedure gets developed and people say things like, “Wow. Isn’t God wonderful?” But when something horrific happens God goes uncredited.

Are there modern day miracles? I’d like to think so. But my money is on, “No.”

[aMorePerfectUnion]

You apparently don’t know what is meant by being recognized as a saint.

The short answer is CASH...

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2016/09/23/vatican-tightens-rules-miracles-money-sainthood-cases/

"In his book “Merchants in the Temple,” Italian journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi charged the congregation was among the most reluctant Vatican offices to cooperate with new transparency measures imposed as part of Francis’s project of Vatican reform, and asserted that the average cost of a sainthood cause was about $550,000.

"U.S. Catholic officials traditionally have used $250,000 as a benchmark for the cost of a cause from the initial investigation on a diocesan level, to a canonization Mass in St. Peter’s Square at the Vatican, though that cost can increase depending in part of how many people take part in the canonization ceremony and the logistics of organizing the event.

Key word is "initial".

Many saints are manufactured by forcing them through using multiple tries, when rejected at first.

God's standard is that every believer in Christ, who has entrusted themselves to Him alone for salvation, is at that moment a saint. The Apostle Peter and Apostle Paul address the members of the churches as saints.

[iontheball]

I haven’t read anything by Jim O’Neil for a while, but he is a great writer and thinker. He asks great questions, but in today’s world I fear that Archbishop Sheen will not get the recognition he so rightfully deserves. I must agree with Jim. Just watching and listening to Archbishop Sheen’s videos is all one needs to recognize his saintly qualities.

[Old Yeller]

You apparently don’t know what is meant by being recognized as a saint.

You apparently don't.

The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons …“ (Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use, and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view: “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

The idea of the word “saints” is a group of people set apart for the Lord and His kingdom. There are three references referring to godly character of saints: "that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints …" (Romans 16:2). "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:12). "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints" (Ephesians 5:3).

Therefore, scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christian are saints—and at the same time are called to be saints. First Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints.

How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the biblical teaching? Not very well. In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop. In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Roman Catholic practice, the saints are revered, prayed to, and in some instances, worshipped. In the Bible, saints are called to revere, worship, and pray to God alone.

https://www.gotquestions.org/saints-Christian.html

[trebb]

You are correct - someday we will know whether certain theologies are correct or not but the really important part is that Christ came to save us and was crucified, died, was buried, and rose again that we all might have eternal life with Him in Heaven. Men are ALL flawed and while I can understand how some wish to think of their favorite men as something special, the fact doesn't change - the best of men would still spend eternity in Hell if Christ had not given us the avenue to salvation through His cleansing blood - in that I think we can all agree.

I apologize if you take offense at some of my comments - I started out in the Catholic Church and never got the full message - even through the rite of Confirmation and it was many many years later that I heard the message of Christ in a way that prompted me to personally confess to Him and ask hi into my heart as my Lord and savior. I am a "non-denominational" Christian and find fault in all religions as they ere constructed by flawed men - my problem, not the problem of those who find extra comfort in their particular religious brands of Christianity. I might have more respect for religion except for so many religious figures Priests/Pastors/Bishops/a certain Pope and so many others seem to get sidetracked with political agendas and away fro the message of Christ.

God Bless and thanks for the courteous nature of your response.

[foreverfree]

bump

[ealgeone]

You apparently don’t know what is meant by being recognized as a saint.

Just more made up Roman Cathoicism.

Saints, at least as understood in the New Testament, were those who believed in Jesus Christ. Paul so noted in writing to the churches in Ephesus, Corinth, Rome, Colossae, Philippi, and Thessalonica.

[nobamanomore]

What on earth possesses the same anti Catholics to post on every obviously Catholic post? If you really know anything about Catholics, you would know they agree with your quote about all members being saints, but it’s not the same thing as a canonized saint.

You sure haven’t seen me posting on every damn post about Billy Graham disparaging his religious beliefs, and I’m pretty damn tired of your (and some others) anti Catholic BS. And don’t make an attempt to deny it, you same handful post on every Catholic post that isn’t marked Caucus, you have that right, but that doesn’t make it proper.

[nobamanomore]

and if you can’t spell ‘altar boy’ you likely weren’t one!

[sparklite2]

Heh. I noticed that, too. Can you imagine what it would be like if there were no caucus function? And why not an atheist caucus?

[Alas Babylon!]

I usually don’t comment on your posts against bloggers, but that right there—and I don’t care who you are—was funny!

[nobamanomore]

The atheist caucus is over on DU and Huffpost! Pretty much the whole thing!

[Campion]

In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop

One of many errors in your cut-and-paste polemic. If this were so, what is "All Saints Day" celebrating?

Every glorified human being in heaven is a saint. A few of them, because they are known to have led lives of heroic virtue, are commended to the church for public commemoration and veneration, not worship. These are the canonized saints. That veneration is without prejudice to the millions of other saints whose names we may not know. Those saints are the ones commemorated on All Saints Day.

And by the way, a "prominent bishop" can't canonize or beatify someone on his own initiative, either.

[sparklite2]

You think there are no conservative atheists?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

What on earth possesses the same anti Catholics

Sorry, I don't know a single "anti-Catholic".

If you really know anything about Catholics, you would know they agree with your quote about all members being saints, but it’s not the same thing as a canonized saint.

I understand that canonization is a perversion of God's Word. I pointed out the reality. If it troubles you to have a discussion like this, there are caucus threads. Open threads are for discussion.

You sure haven’t seen me posting on every damn post about Billy Graham disparaging his religious beliefs

I'm fine with any discussion point you want to bring. Fear no truth.

and I’m pretty damn tired of your (and some others) anti Catholic BS.

Perhaps a nice Caucus Thread is where you should be? This thread is an open thread for discussion. You are discussing right now. It is your right.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

and if you can’t spell ‘altar boy’ you likely weren’t one!

Hey, I was a kid. That's how I spelled it. 😊

[terycarl]

As a former Roman Catholic Alter Boy, now a Christian & saint, I do know.

an "alter boy" is a girl, an altar bot serves at Mass. leaving the Catholic Church was a really bad idea.....sigh.