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Why Russia Has a Problem With 'The Death of Stalin'
The Moscow Times ^ | Jan 25, 2018 | Andrei Arkhangelsky

Posted on 01/28/2018 11:19:00 AM PST by GoldenState_Rose

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And lastly, this film is about victims and about violence.

In the last 27 years, Russia has failed to discuss an extremely important topic...

1 posted on 01/28/2018 11:19:00 AM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: GoldenState_Rose

Mourners Crushed at Stalin’s Funeral
http://soviethistory.msu.edu/1954-2/succession-to-stalin/succession-to-stalin-texts/mourners-crushed-at-stalins-funeral/


2 posted on 01/28/2018 11:22:31 AM PST by dfwgator
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I think what bothers the authorities, is that you are just one step away (if you accept this movie) from some lampoon of Putin and team.

In fact, you could easily go right now and lampoon just about every single democracy in the EU.


3 posted on 01/28/2018 11:25:19 AM PST by pepsionice
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You’re another person who allowed your hate for Obama and fear of migrants distort your entire narrative of reality and of history - not having a clue about just how bad Russia’s government is or that they’re the ones with the Muslim-poiuplation crisis way more than even Germany.

The E.U. is NOT Europe - but you’ve equated the two.

And even with Trump as President, everything America does is “Neo-Con.”

Fine, go fight for Russia then, alongside their allies Turkey, Iran, heck even North Korea and save civilization.

For the record, I don’t think there is any impending war with Russia on the horizon in the LEAST - the REAL story is what’s happening INSIDE Russia and the future the Russian people will be determining for themselves.


4 posted on 01/28/2018 11:32:15 AM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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The Moscow Times
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moscow_Times#Notable_events
[Excerpt:]
In the aftermath of the Ukrainian crisis, The Moscow Times was criticized by a number of journalists including Izvestia columnist Israel Shamir, who in December 2014 called it a “militant anti-Putin paper, a digest of the Western press with extreme bias in covering events in Russia”.[3]...In January 2014, malicious ads on the newspaper’s website redirected visitors to an exploit kit landing page.[21] In December 2014, The Moscow Times was forced offline for two days by a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack. It was forced offline a second time in February 2015 for unknown reasons.[3]


5 posted on 01/28/2018 11:33:29 AM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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Sad that the Russians still pretending that Communism isn’t just as evil as what they crow about having defeated.


6 posted on 01/28/2018 11:35:20 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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it ended up being even worse and doing ten times the damage around the globe.

and the Germans, albeit imperfectly, at least make an effort to acknowledge their past crimes.


7 posted on 01/28/2018 11:36:33 AM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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Interesting article. I visited Russia about two years ago, and one of the interesting things that people told me is the reason they liked Putin was that he had brought order to a country that, with the collapse of its government, had become completely out of control.

I don’t think he was interested in reinstalling the Soviet system, and I don’t think he believes Communism is the answer. But, reading various reports, it seems as if there has been a revival of Party people, and since Putin has probably been weakened by the Trump-Russia stupidity in the US, he may not be able to resist the nostalgia among bureaucrats for the Party.

Bad times, and I think one of the things the Dems hate about Putin was that he actually didn’t want to extend Communism but wanted to move to a free (but not criminal) economy and a sort of “ordinary” (non-Party) political system. The Dems want all of the bad things back.


8 posted on 01/28/2018 11:39:08 AM PST by livius
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The average Russian still greatly admires Reagan, because they know he said the truth about the Soviet Union.

That being said, I believe the average Russian is not particularly a fan of our kind of Democratic system, and I will be the first to say, that our system isn’t for everyone. They seem to prefer having a strong hand running things in The Kremlin, that’s how they are conditioned to think, going all the way back to the days of Ivan the Terrible.


9 posted on 01/28/2018 11:41:55 AM PST by dfwgator
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Fear of migrants? LOL. It’s not nice to call other people names on this board or I’d call you an incredibly large idiot :). And I will call that post one of the most idiotic and way off Target posts of the year. There is no Rhyme or Reason to it and sounds like it written by an angry drunk spouting things he knows nothing about.

Perhaps you love Obama and love the as you call migrants. You might be on the wrong board.


10 posted on 01/28/2018 11:47:22 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know that if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: GoldenState_Rose

Most the rulers of Russia remain defiantly Soviet in their heart of hearts. This is beyond logic and reason.


11 posted on 01/28/2018 11:49:45 AM PST by lee martell
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To: livius
People there don't make it obvious at first, but Putin has made resentment of America a cornerstone of his rhetoric and persuasion for his agenda. And it's worked.

It doesn't mean Russians will be mean to Americans (on the contrary as I'm sure you witnessed) -- but historically, they do have genuine envy and resentment with how the world turned out and have trouble taking the blame.

They blame America and the West not just for the 1990s, but even for Stalin's crimes. Look at the quote from the article:

"In the last 27 years, Russia has failed to discuss an extremely important topic, which is that totalitarian regimes consider the use violence not just a tool, but as an end in itself.

According to the official Russian line, violence was perpetrated by unnamed “dark forces” acting under Western influence, or else it simply happened “by itself,” with nobody to blame.

It's really sad because it's this type of thinking they feel gives them license to sabotage other neighboring former Soviet countries who may want to take a direction different from the Kremlin line.

Because naturally, by resenting America -- you also resent the values America stands for: freedom, rule of law, dignity of the individual, human rights -- and in their efforts to undermine the image of America, the Russian people have undermined their own opportunity to adopt some of those principles for themselves.

On top of that, by not facing up to their past or repenting, they have only given free rein and housing for the same demons to continue to operate and dredge up the same old realities that led the people to the brink of self-annihilation in the first place.

As Gulag historian Anne Applebaum points out, "Like a Pandora's box, the past lies in wait for the next generation."

12 posted on 01/28/2018 11:51:46 AM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: dp0622

“Free Republic” - of which Russia is not.


13 posted on 01/28/2018 11:52:29 AM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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People there don't make it obvious at first, but Putin has made resentment of America a cornerstone of his rhetoric and persuasion for his agenda. And it's worked.

Russia is far from the only country that does that. Just look at Mexico and Trudeau in Canada, it is the cornerstone of their agenda as well.
14 posted on 01/28/2018 11:55:08 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: GoldenState_Rose

The sad thing is that the US, under Roosevelt and his successors, was either very supportive of Stalin or turned a blind eye to him. You still can’t write or talk about his destruction of Russia in respectable academic circles.


15 posted on 01/28/2018 11:57:18 AM PST by livius
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Yeah but they don’t have the same nuclear arsenal or historical foundations and wherewithal to launch a genuine front against us - moral, military - via military satellites or otherwise.


16 posted on 01/28/2018 11:57:51 AM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: livius

Soviet ideology, Soviet sympathizers in key sphere of society destroyed and continue to destroy the U.S. from within. And even conservative Americans have a distorted sense of our own role in history and have given up the pride we should take for our role in defeating both Nazism and communism.

(And no I’m not advocating America be like Russia and sugarcoat our history or our politics either.)

In terms of bloodshed, in the 20th Century alone: it wasn’t just Russians who died in the name of Leninism/Stalinism -> but people ALL OVER THE WORLD. China under Mao, Cambodia under Khmer Rouge, and good grief the list goes on.

Stalin even set up the State existing in North Korea to this day. (A state which Putin’s Russia continues to support and help prop up by the way.)


17 posted on 01/28/2018 12:02:35 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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Bkmrk.


18 posted on 01/28/2018 12:10:58 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Screw The NFL!!!!!! My family fought for the flag!)
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Revolutions, like trees, must be judged by their fruit, Ignazio Silone wrote, China under the “Great Helmsman”, Kim Il Sung’s North Korea, Vietnam under “Uncle Ho”, Castro’s Cuba, Ethiopia under Mengistu, Angola under Neto, Afghanistan under Najibullah,...wherever Communism was established it quickly led to crime, terror and repression.

from The Black Book of Communism


19 posted on 01/28/2018 12:31:45 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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There is a parallel here with the Russian government not releasing a Stalin film and the Deep State not releasing the texts and notes from the FBI and Justice department.


20 posted on 01/28/2018 1:09:41 PM PST by tom paine 2
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