Posted on 11/21/2017 1:12:56 PM PST by Jeff Chandler
I thought they were doing great until near the end of Dean Young’s segment.
I was Catholic girls school and the gentleman who asked mother to date me was the owner of the Greek restaurant where all of the girls ate. No raised eyebrows. No big deal. Nobody was creeped out. He was just OLD and BORING, so one date was more than enough. Mother was so overprotective that my bus ride to high school was the first time I was on a bus alone. So your notion of what was done and not done is very strange to me and nothing I saw in Chicago.
My mother and grandmother both married men abt 8 years their senior. Mother started dating father at U of Chicago when she was 16 and he was 24. I knew almost no one when I was growing up in the 60’s who dated their own age group except my roommate, who met her husband in line because they both had the same last name. The boys were too young and not very interesting.
We were south side. No idea where you grew up. South and north sides were like different cities.
I don’t believe the two Roy Moore 14 year old stories. I can believe he dated teens with their parents permission and that’s fine from my POV. If I lived in AL I’d vote for him for sure. ANYONE is better than a Democrat.
Legal does not neccessarily make it OK. However, a lot depends on intention. A man who is dating, and this did not neccesarily imply sex at the time, and looking for a wife, is not a predator.
And remember, he has been married to the same woman, completely faithfully insofar as we know is not a pedophile. Those people do not change so I’m told.
Nothing happened. And I do not believe the accusations. But even if it had, how does that compare with support of child murder, i.e., abortion?
At some point one has to decide where on his scale of evil a certain sin lies. And on my scale, abortion is worse than almost anything.
But it would be tough call if I believed the accusers. Women do lie about these things
Because they are puritan squareheads
Flimsy or not illegal allegations against Judge Moore who’s been in I think eight elections so far with never a peep
All with dem and GOPe fingerprints over the whole circus
Or believe the Media and Dems and GOP establishment and NeoCons who all detest Christian conservatives to their bone especially if they are Deep South because it represents their most entrenched and basic foe
Any freeper at this point goes with that doesn’t deserve to be here frankly
South hating northerners in the mold of Jonah Goldberg and Bitch Lowery and sadly on occasion Mark Levin have polluted this forum forever
I despise them with my every ounce
They are as much the enemy as the hard left
They make us weak
I forgotten what it was like here in 03-06
“I forgotten what it was like here in 03-06”
You shouldn’t forget, seeing how howlin and her mob got you booted for objecting to Bush’s amnesty mania. And that wasn’t the only GOPe orthodoxy being passed off as ‘conservatism’ by the Bushies. Dixie bashing in its various incarnations is still allowed... I doubt that will change until the full ethnic cleansing gets turned onto the Founders...and that catspaw has already been seen.
These sort of salivating sorts who look around the room before talking about black people
Will never buck up
They weren’t 14 or 16. Although I believe 16 was legal age of consent in AL at the time.
They were seniors. AFAIK they were all 18+
Keep in mind that from the dawn of time until the 1960’s the entire world thought it was normal for a 30 yo man to marry a 15-16 yo girl. Generally men had to wait to marry until they were financially secure.
So, even though I tend to agree with your sentiment, historically our beliefs are abnormal. Mary probably had Jesus when she was around 16-17. Joseph would have been in his 30’s.
Who is intolerant of you? Not me.
I’m not really a proponent of a guy of 31 dating a 16 year old. But I’m not sure that happened. One girl claims she was 18, Moore remembers her as 19.
The one claiming to be 16 was exposed as a Democrat Party plant. So I can’t be sure that happened, or if it happened when she was an older teen and she’s lying now.
But either way, the original story, with the exception of Leigh Corfman, noted that nothing untoward happened.
So I can’t get all mad about that, see what I mean?
Also, my personal experience is brought to bear here. I dated a 31 year old right after I turned 19, but wanted to date him when I was 18. (He had a girlfriend then, but I definitely flirted with him when I was 18.) Alabama, circa 1981.
I can also look at the balance of Judge Moore’s life and see that wanting to marry a younger woman when he was 30 seems to have been a good strategy. He started dating her when she was 23, they married when she was 24.
But his over all life since then, he’s been a great guy. Never a whisper of anything improper about him.
I think there is a huge difference between a 19 year old and a 16 (or 15, 14, etc) year old...so I get what you are saying, tho I still think it is a big gap and I would be concerned if my daughter had returned home with a 31 year old when she was 19—tho not “end of the world” concerned.
Someone here actually stated it is preferable/desirable to have a 14 year old dating a successful older 30-something man now...Sorry, that is not mainstream thinking IMHO. (Yes, I know Moore married a younger woman, but 23-24 is not the same as 16).
As I said to another poster, what is legal is not necessarily acceptable in my book...I can use several examples~I will start with pot...legal but not acceptable or desirable in my book.
My second concern is folks willing to make allowances for questionable behavior to elect a conservative...I believe that that if the radical democrat running against Moore had in his early 30s been attempting to date high school girls, Freepers would be all over that guy. Some here have said, they did not approve, but are voting for him anyway...Some said they don’t care what he did or didn’t do, they are voting for him no matter what. Scary to me, but IMHO they are more intellectually honest.
I really Wish Moore had taken the stance that “Yeah, I wanted to or tried to date high school girls when I was in my early 30s, and looking back on it, probably not my brightest move, but I settled down with great woman, etc....” However, that is not way any of this was handled..
BTW, no way would my daughter been allowed to date a 30-something year old man when she was in high school.
When I first moved back to IL a couple months before election for a governor, I stated that after Bill Clinton, I would never ever vote for a democrat again. Period. So I voted for a pro-choice republican, Ryan (as in Lyin’Ryan) instead of the pro-life democrat from down state. In hindsight, I wish I had voted my principles and voted for the better man, but instead I went on political ideology...Regrettably so as Ryan was terrible! I often wonder how IL would have fared with that pro-life democrat instead of Lyin Ryan. Now I know Moore is pro-life, etc., and I am not saying he is the lesser man. It is just that there are some who will vote for anyone but the democrat, and sometimes that bites in the rear end...Not saying Moore did anything wrong—just fact that some feel regardless of whether or not he did, they don’t care. That ideology concerns me.
Some say this election is bigger than just a Senate seat in Alabama...Well I agree, I think it is about holding on to principles, and since I capitulated once, I am far more cautious—especially when I don’t have all the facts.
Actually, I am glad I don’t live in Alabama—so I am not going to be held to account for my vote one way or the other, because for me it would be a tough vote.
It’s hard to know what’s true and what isn’t at this point.
I can say that my high school in Florida in the 1970s was still teaching home economics classes.
-PJ
ANYONE is better than a Democrat.
If the past 2 year election cycle has taught me one thing, it is that there is increasingly less difference between democrats and republicans..
Sorry, I voted for Lyin Ryan, a republican governor in IL, because he was a governor and I thought anyone was better than a democrat. But know what—he was worse than the pro-life guy from down-state.
I was a teenager in very republican DuPage County in the 70s, an dating a man 15+ years my senior would have been very eyebrow raising here. My parents were several years different in age—but they were not 16 and 31. And my father had shotgun loaded with rock salt that would have welcomed any man in his 30s attempting to date me while I was a high school girl. Period. We had a Catholic high school here, tho it was not single sex.
I still live in DuPage County, and I would not let my high school aged daughter date a man in his early 30s. Just would not do it whether it is legal or not.
Guess we will just disagree on this one...
t’s hard to know what’s true and what isn’t at this point.
I agree, and that is why I have I said I am glad I don’t have to cast a vote for which I will be held accountable.
Of course, I voted for Bush, McCain, Romney, and Lyin Ryan (Gov. of IL), so what do I know :(
As you say it’s the people of AL that have to make the choice.
But their choice will help the GOP hold the Senate or make it
closer for the Dems to take it over. A scoundrel he may be
but if he’ll help keep the dems out of power at this time then
so be it. If he’s changed his ways and repented then I’m
hoping he’ll be a positive for the GOP going forward. I don’t
believe the democrat would be a positive. JMO. Take care.
>>Did you read about Rep. Barton today?
I fear the man had delusions of grandeur.
I remember wanting to work for Nixon in my last year of high school, but they made me work for 3 local Republican politicians instead. Went to a dinner for volunteers and the 3 all made dirty jokes. I was so horrified that when I got to vote grandmother’s ballot that year (she claimed she needed me to read for her and then let me vote for anyone I wanted), we voted straight Republican and 3 Democrats. The trick, I learned, was never meet them.
Legal does not neccessarily make it OK. However, a lot depends on intention. A man who is dating, and this did not neccesarily imply sex at the time, and looking for a wife, is not a predator.
And remember, he has been married to the same woman, completely faithfully insofar as we know is not a pedophile. Those people do not change so I’m told.
Nothing happened. And I do not believe the accusations. But even if it had, how does that compare with support of child murder, i.e., abortion?
At some point one has to decide where on his scale of evil a certain sin lies. And on my scale, abortion is worse than almost anything.
But it would be tough call if I believed the accusers. Women do lie about these things
As I stated in another post, the bigger issue for me is allowing myself to be blinded and overlook unacceptable behavior (at least in my book) in order to win politically.
I did it with IL Governor who was pro-choice republican and voted for him over a pro-life democrat. 20 years later, I regret that vote.
TRhe one thing I have learned over the past election cycle is that there are increasingly fewer differences beetween the republicans and the democrats and their public personna can be quite divergent from their private. What they do is divergent from what they say as well. So is he telling truth about everything? I don’t know.
I don’t believe he raped a 14-year old; however, I think he was coming on to high school aged girls and tho legal, I don’t think it is defensible...not then and not now.
I just don’t like the fact that many of his supporters here seem perfectly OK with a 31 or 32 year old man dating a high school girl. I suspect that those same folks would be all over a democrat who was alleged to have done the same.
As I stated, glad I don’t have to make the vote one way or the other as I am somewhat conflicted. I know the dems and McConnell planned the release timing, but as far as believing the women, yes some make things up, but I have also seen many pillars of the community hiding behind their title of pastor, highly religious laypeople, priest, coach, charity director, etc. with the veneer of integrity only to find they were using their said titles for shields against accusations. Even today, GOP Rep. Barton has been caught sexting pictures and messages...he apologized for sending the message in essence to the wrong recipient, but not for sending his nude photo...never would have seen that coming...not equating the 2 situations...guess I just have trust issues.
BTW I appreciate the opportunity to have a differing view without being called a troll, etc.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
What ever happened to Howlin?
If he’s changed his ways and repented then I’m
hoping he’ll be a positive for the GOP going forward
Hope so...wish he had said he was a young lawyer...not wisest at the time, etc. Time will tell if he is a “good egg.” Thing is, once they are in office, they drink DC koolaid, and it is hard to primary out bad eggs...look at Ryan in Wisconsin, McConnell, et al. Would love to get those GOP placeholders out and put in some truly good public servants.w...Impossible longer they are there.
Take care and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours :)
I thank you for your thoughtful reply and it’s too bad Roy Moore didn’t have you advising him because that was good advice.
Brush it off, say “of course I courted young ladies,” brush it off and move on.
I’ll be honest here, even if I thought he did it, I’d still vote for him because I think an extra Democrat (I feel) puts our entire republic in danger.
Moore has had an exemplary life for the past 40 years. I’m voting for that without regret.
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