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Democrats want to stop Trump's trans ban before it starts
Vox ^ | July 27, 2017 | Alex Ward

Posted on 07/27/2017 12:33:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A resistance is forming in Congress.

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) is working on legislation to block President Trump’s proposed ban on transgender people serving in the military, part of an effort to move fellow lawmakers from bashing the controversial White House announcement to actually trying to find concrete ways of reversing it.

“Our office is working on legislation to stop this from happening and on an amendment to the NDAA, but these are all long-term fixes,” Moran Banai, a senior adviser in the senator’s office, said in an email, referencing the large defense budget bill known as the National Defense Authorization Act. The email was obtained by Vox.

In the short term, Gillibrand is trying to get other senators to sign on to a letter asking Defense Secretary James Mattis to “advise the President against” choosing to put a trans military ban in place.

It also calls on Mattis not to kick any trans service member out of the armed forces until the Pentagon completes an ongoing internal assessment of what allowing transgender individuals to enlist in the armed services would do to the military’s readiness to fight and lethality when in the fight.

“Forcing these brave Americans out of our military would be cruel and discriminatory. It would harm our readiness by denying the military of these service members’ capabilities and requiring the military to replace them at a time when the recruiting pool for the services continues to shrink,” the draft reads

Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) is also working on legislation to block the ban, the Washington Post reports. Yesterday, Booker told me there were “lots of discussions” happening among his colleagues about how to do it.

And Democrats aren’t alone in their opposition. Many Republicans in Congress, including Sens. John McCain and Orrin Hatch, are opposed to the ban. “There should be no discrimination,” Hatch told me today.

McCain, for his part, has said “any American who meets current medical and readiness standards should be allowed to continue serving.” Despite his opposition, it’s still unclear if McCain, who chairs the Armed Services Committee, will allow for an amendment that aims to block a ban on trans service members to get into the NDAA.

For now, Trump’s tweets are the administration’s only actual move to ban transgender troops. In a message to top military officers, Gen. Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the current policy — which allows trans troops to serve openly — won’t change unless and until the Pentagon gets actual orders from Trump.

“There will be no modifications to the current policy until the president's direction has been received by the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary has issued,” he wrote.

Gillibrand and her allies aren’t waiting for those orders to come.


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: democrats; homosexualagenda; transgenders; trump
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Is this really the hill they want to die on? Are they that tone deaf?
1 posted on 07/27/2017 12:33:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is nothing they can do about this.


2 posted on 07/27/2017 12:34:38 PM PDT by DarthVader ("These lying tyrants are about to get hit with a tsunami of destruction on their evil reign." Gaffer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, and yes.


3 posted on 07/27/2017 12:38:47 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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“Forcing these brave Americans out of our military would be cruel and discriminatory. It would harm our readiness by denying the military of these service members’ capabilities and requiring the military to replace them at a time when the recruiting pool for the services continues to shrink,” the draft reads

Here is the brave new world....

4 posted on 07/27/2017 12:39:06 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: SERKIT

Sadly probably more prophetic than you think. There is a whole generation coming up that seems to have no bridge too far on this type of stuff. I keep asking and I haven’t found one yet that they are willing to say enough already.


5 posted on 07/27/2017 12:42:48 PM PDT by redangus
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To: DarthVader

Just how many taxpayer funded transition surgeries do they have as a goal? Have that press conference, Kirsten. Bring your accountant.


6 posted on 07/27/2017 12:43:38 PM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A lot of time here is spent worrying about Trump’s inability to handle his opposition, but this latest move shows the man’s genius.

The Democrats just released their ridiculous “Better” campaign which attempts to portray them as being on the side of working middle Americans, and Trump has forced them to immediately come out in favor of Lady-Boi’s serving in the armed forces.

Yeah, the Democrat party sure understands the values and goals of the average American.


7 posted on 07/27/2017 12:45:17 PM PDT by Junk Silver ("It's a little hard to herd people onto trains when they're shooting at you." SirLurkedalot)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry you can’t ban Trump from banning obama from not banning transgenders. That such to confuse the eff out of her...


8 posted on 07/27/2017 12:45:46 PM PDT by edzo4 (Democrats playbook = promise everything, deliver nothing, blame someone else.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Not being a Constitutional scholar I'm far from certain how broad the President's powers are in regard to the policies and practices of the Armed Forces.I'm also curious how open service by perverts came to be under the former Community Organizer-In-Chief.Was any kind of Congressional approval required?
9 posted on 07/27/2017 12:46:18 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Comey = The Swamp Fighting Back)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama did none of these things before pulling the transgender rabbit out of a hat and saying he would force the generals to have these mentally ill weirdos in their ranks. So now it’s Pres Trump’s turn to rescind an action which 78% of Americans consider a mistake.


10 posted on 07/27/2017 12:47:19 PM PDT by txrefugee (.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These Democrats understand NOTHING about how our Constitutional republic works. 1. Trump is COMMANDER IN CHIEF. 2. If they pass a bill forcing mentally-ill crossdressers on the military, TRUMP has to sign it for it to become law. Congress is NOT a power unto itself.


11 posted on 07/27/2017 12:47:24 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Trump won; I celebrated; I'm good. Let's get on with the civil war now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Crossdressing is now the number one issue for Democrats in Congress. I would think we have much bigger and more important issues......


12 posted on 07/27/2017 12:47:50 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It seems so. It’s their “Better Deal” now.


13 posted on 07/27/2017 12:50:44 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: redangus

Why do we get all wrapped around the axle on this gender thing and bathrooms to use? While Iran & NK build nuclear weapons, or immigration system is broken and people flood in, need I go on


14 posted on 07/27/2017 12:51:21 PM PDT by Jimmy The Snake
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To: DarthVader
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) is working on legislation to block President Trump’s proposed ban on transgender people serving in the military, part of an effort to move fellow lawmakers from bashing the controversial White House announcement to actually trying to find concrete ways of reversing it.

Shouldn't, as a bare minimum, members of Congress understand the Constitutional separation of powers, especially ex-military like McCain?

15 posted on 07/27/2017 12:54:10 PM PDT by relictele
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How many people does this affect? Maybe 50?

They probably get harassed so much they end up quitting anyway.


16 posted on 07/27/2017 12:57:48 PM PDT by Vic S
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t worry , there are lots of Clinton/Obama judges who are just chomping at the bits to appoint themselves ‘Commander In Chief’ of our military.


17 posted on 07/27/2017 1:00:17 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FOOLPROOF GENDER IDENTITY and LAVATORY QUALIFICATION TEST!

Designed for those unfortunate individuals still confused as to their gender,
this simple test will assist with that vital, possibly life-changing decision.
Can be performed at home in any climate.
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If there were snow on the ground and you stepped outside,
COULD YOU WRITE YOUR NAME IN THE SNOW?
If you are capable of performing this intricate feat, UNIQUE TO MALES, or even come close,
PLEASE USE PUBLIC FACILITIES LABELED “MEN”.
If, however, you cannot even attempt this remarkable feat, and normally SIT or SQUAT while urinating, PLEASE USE THE FACILITIES DESIGNATED “LADIES” or “WOMEN”.
THANK YOU!
(This message provided by the millions of American citizens who are FED UP with insane distractions of this sort by renegade and out-of-control, bureaucrats, leftists and courts, the obvious goal of which is the total and absolute destruction of any remaining common sense standards en-route to a totalitarian command tyranny.)

This “problem” may even extend to the animal kingdom.

When deer hunting season opens, I have a question.  If I bag a buck, but I only have a doe tag, can I claim that the buck wasn’t really a buck?

I mean … maybe he’d always wanted to be a doe, but with no choice of his own he was born with the physical attributes of a male.

And yet … on the inside he’d always known he was truly a female.

I’m just wondering if the game warden will buy it, because society and the Supreme Court does.


18 posted on 07/27/2017 1:01:30 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (THE 4TH ESTATE HERE HAS BECOME A 5TH COLUMN. DIDN'T WE IMPRISON TOKYO ROSE???)
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To: backwoods-engineer

“If they pass a bill forcing mentally-ill crossdressers on the military, TRUMP has to sign it for it to become law. Congress is NOT a power unto itself.”

Unless Trump vetoes it and they override his veto (2/3rd majority). Fat chance getting that majority and bigger fat chance that those voting to override will defend their vote come election time.


19 posted on 07/27/2017 1:03:00 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: Jimmy The Snake

We need to get wrapped around this gender confusion/gender identity/transsexual bathrooms, etc. because the liberals are pushing these issues.

If the liberals would decide that there are limits to how far to push us to upend society, to conform to the whims of increasingly bizarre people and their behaviors, then this wouldn’t even be an issue. It would just be common sense, that certain people are out there with severe issues, and common sense would tell us such people don’t belong in the military.

If we didn’t have one of our major political parties pushing this stuff, we wouldn’t need to get involved with it.


20 posted on 07/27/2017 1:03:14 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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