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Is America descending into political violence again? I asked 12 experts.
Vox ^ | June 15, 2017 | Sean Illing

Posted on 06/15/2017 2:52:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

James T. Hodgkinson, a 66-year-old man from Illinois, walked onto a baseball diamond Wednesday in Northern Virginia and shot House Majority Whip Steve Scalise. Four others, including a congressional staffer, a lobbyist, and two members of the Capitol Police, were also wounded in the attack.

Six years ago, Jared Lee Loughner, a 22-year-old man from Arizona, opened fire outside a grocery store, seriously injuring Democratic Congress member Gabrielle Giffords and killing six others.

Since then we’ve witnessed a host of terror attacks and mass shootings — in San Bernardino, in Colorado Springs, in Charleston, in Chattanooga, in Santa Barbara, in Fort Hood, in Santa Monica, in Newtown, in Minneapolis, in Aurora, and in Oakland.

The motives in each of these attacks vary, but they’re all united by the thread of violence.

This is not America circa 1968, much less America during the Civil War. Things can be — and have been — much worse. But we are never far removed from chaos and violence.....

(Excerpt) Read more at vox.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Politics
KEYWORDS: scalise; theleft; violence
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1 posted on 06/15/2017 2:52:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What were Loughner’s politics?


2 posted on 06/15/2017 2:53:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

An Atheist Gold-bug as I recall.


3 posted on 06/15/2017 2:55:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: BenLurkin

Left wing


4 posted on 06/15/2017 2:56:11 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do 97% of these “experts” agree?


5 posted on 06/15/2017 2:56:27 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

are we descending into violence. Oh goodness I certainly hope so. Need a good, cleansing fire. The garden hasn’t been weeded in decades


6 posted on 06/15/2017 3:02:05 PM PDT by brucedickinson
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To: BenLurkin

incoherent and all over the map

Keep in mind that the guy was basically a psych experiment gone wrong, so the specifics of what he may or may not have believed need to be understood in that context, as well as in the context of the motives of those who reported his statements.

The Loughner/Giffords situation stinks to high heaven and the psych treatment angle was never properly investigated.


7 posted on 06/15/2017 3:03:59 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: BenLurkin
What were Loughner’s politics?

IIRC, he was a former campaign worker for Giffords, but she wasn't radical enough for him.

8 posted on 06/15/2017 3:10:21 PM PDT by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Vox’s target audience were smart, they’d not be pushing for war. However, that would be asking for too much.


9 posted on 06/15/2017 3:11:31 PM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: thoughtomator

Living north of Tucson, maybe our news was more complete. According to reports (no, I don’t remember from whom, but it has been 6 years), Loughner had been to one of her ‘Congressman on the Corner’ events and had a flyer that he had written angry things all over. He was a Lefty, who had been reported to the Sheriff/Police many times for threats to people. But his mom, a higher up in the Dem party in Tucson, worked for the Parks Dept, so he was never investigated. He was creepy, but his mom’s position bought him some bulletproof armor. Very sad. I don’t know if you remember the others killed? One was a Conservative judge who had shielded an elderly man with his body. Nearly nowhere in the news was it reported that Judge Roll was a Conservative. Biased news has been the norm for decades. And rarely was it reported that Loughner was a big Lefty either.


10 posted on 06/15/2017 3:11:53 PM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: originalbuckeye

Thanks for the refresher! I’m remembering somthing... hadn’t the judge just issued an order that Obama was mad about?


11 posted on 06/15/2017 3:13:32 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: originalbuckeye

oh yes... Roll had days earlier issued a preliminary injunction against the Obama admin in a case in which the latter claimed the right to seize citizens’ assets without cause


12 posted on 06/15/2017 3:16:43 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

12 experts? More like 12 leftist college professors. The entire article was basically a bunch of anti-Trump liberals calling conservatives racist thugs.


13 posted on 06/15/2017 3:17:24 PM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: BenLurkin

looney left


14 posted on 06/15/2017 3:25:42 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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The author attempts to explain what he perceives as a wave of “terror attacks and mass shootings.” He has a rather curious list of such events. It’s conspicuously missing the Orlando night club shooting, in which 50 people were killed and another 44 wounded. His list is also missing the Boston Marathon Bombing, in which 3 people were killed and several hundred injured.

I don’t know that we have a good database of “mass murders.” You’d have to start with a definition. The wikipedia entry says at least 6 people killed, or 4 or 5 people killed and a total of at least 10 people injured, or 2 or 3 people killed and a total of at least 12 people injured.

Looking over the list the author assembled, other incidents on the wikipedia entry, and yet other incidents that I simply recalled from memory, the only thing that jumps out is Muslims.

Other than Muslims, it looks like a random trickle of anti-social, loner/loser types, some of which have been diagnosed as schizophrenic. I mean, you have one or more of Goths, Confederates, Progressive Socialists, Hispanics, just about everything, but not many females.

As to the author’s thesis that more polarization equals more political violence, I’m sorry, but I would like this to be demonstrated. I suspect the only thing that has changed since the 1980s is that we now have a wave of Muslim violence (thankfully not as bad as Europe).

One instance of a Bernie Sanders supporter going over the edge doesn’t make a wave. But, we’ll see where this leads. If the kooks on the left continue to radicalize those on their side, with their tinfoil hat conspiracy theories and gallows humor, we might wind up with a wave of leftard violence in addition to a wave of Muslim violence.


15 posted on 06/15/2017 3:39:21 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Looking down the list of “experts,” almost everyone works at a university or college. Talk about stacking the deck.

Article is a waste.


16 posted on 06/15/2017 3:49:04 PM PDT by upchuck (... you might not be interested in Shariah; however Shariah is interested in you. h/t dogcaller)
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To: brucedickinson

The blood of tyrants and patriots...


17 posted on 06/15/2017 3:58:21 PM PDT by Boomer (If heaven is up and hell is down; maybe heaven on earth is to the right and hell is to the left.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And remember the Civil War had more killed than all the wars the US has been in....combined.

So this is potentially pretty bad.


18 posted on 06/15/2017 4:00:50 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: upchuck
It's Vox; of course it's a waste but it's also important we know they are saying these things to their brain washed and indoctrinated readers zombies on Flakka.
19 posted on 06/15/2017 4:01:29 PM PDT by Boomer (If heaven is up and hell is down; maybe heaven on earth is to the right and hell is to the left.)
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To: BenLurkin
"What were Loughner’s politics?"

Democrat crazy. He shot Gifford because he thought
she was to conservative. He's crazy.

20 posted on 06/15/2017 4:16:14 PM PDT by StormEye
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