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1 posted on 06/13/2017 3:52:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why not? Learn a trade by someone doing it. Open new options to education.


2 posted on 06/13/2017 3:53:41 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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This is exactly what our education system needs. Students with a trade skill can earn their own way through college.


4 posted on 06/13/2017 3:56:35 PM PDT by abclily
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Great idea!


6 posted on 06/13/2017 3:59:06 PM PDT by notaliberal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle,)
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So what? The Federal government should have no, zero, absolutely zilch influence on education, which the Constitution reserves to the states or the people.

It’s nice that President Trump has an opinion, I guess, but it should apply only to his own descendants and the district in which he lives.


7 posted on 06/13/2017 3:59:47 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If you think free speech is assault but assault is free speech, you're a moron.")
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Better an HVAC tech than a poli sci grad with $200k student loan debt.


8 posted on 06/13/2017 4:00:38 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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This is a good thing, IMHO.

Not everyone needs to attend a 4-year college.

It's stigmatized if you don't have a college degree, but many people would be better served in a trade school that suits their interest. They will have more of an impact on society than underwater basketweaving graduates.

9 posted on 06/13/2017 4:01:51 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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When us old timers went to high school there were essentially two main courses:
Vocational and college prep. Doing away with vocational was probably a PC move. If I remember vocational included wood shop, metal working, auto repair, etc.


11 posted on 06/13/2017 4:03:23 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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Comments:

-It makes excellent sense to train kids for the jobs that employers need workers for and are willing to pay handsomely.

-The kids that graduate these programs and have marketable job skills that are transferable will form the basis of the new middle class. And will likely vote for our side.

-The rats will oppose this viciously because having people with good paying jobs that don’t require a degree (read: leftist indoctrination) is the last thing they want.

-The educational-political complex will oppose this viciously because their degree mills need a steady supply of future debt slaves to keep themselves afloat.

-I doubt I’ll have anything to do with it as I strongly oppose government schools.


12 posted on 06/13/2017 4:04:54 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (In the medium term, islam wins)
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Excellent idea. That way they can get jobs and get ahead.


14 posted on 06/13/2017 4:11:35 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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Guess I’m showing my age, but...

In HS we had wood shop, metal shop, auto mechanics, mechanical drafting, etc.

But none of that fits Common Core’s schedule.

Today, folks are going to technical colleges to learn stuff I learned in HS. What a mess.


17 posted on 06/13/2017 4:14:36 PM PDT by upchuck (... you might not be interested in Shariah; however Shariah is interested in you. h/t dogcaller)
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75 years ago that was pretty much standard.


22 posted on 06/13/2017 4:15:59 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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Democrats want transgender studies; Trump wants trade tech school studies. Which one benefits society? Do the math. Tech training benefits society


23 posted on 06/13/2017 4:17:49 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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I remember the days when they taught some electives that are more useful than what they offer now. I also know some plumbers, electricians, welders, etc., that make very good money and are very needed. The pressure put on young people to get a four year degree in gender studies or some other nonsense is just that, nonsense. I have a professional degree that served me well. I have four children, two chose the college path and two did not. They all do well, but my oldest, who did not want to go to college, makes a lot of money, if that is how success is measured.


24 posted on 06/13/2017 4:18:03 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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for a 1/3 of the children going to school that is what is needed...I cant imagine a better anti poverty program then training kids to be electricians, plumbers or any of the trades.


29 posted on 06/13/2017 4:34:15 PM PDT by PCPOET7 (in)
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Only if it grants them the same status as “skilled workers”. Not a special trades tier, but on par with 4-year degree tracks. That would go a long way toward resolving a huge stigma - that they’re a “slow persons line of work”.

Second, what of the lower/mid levels of IT/CS work that might resemble trades, but are overrun with permatemping & guest worker abuse?

Finally, how could such measures help potential reentrants? In both cases, they already have some training and experience - and could benefit from a clear path to something other than a string of contractors.


31 posted on 06/13/2017 4:37:09 PM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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Great idea.

Learn a trade and, if you want to go to college, pay your way by working.

Every college grad should have a trade or skill to fall back on when times get tough.

32 posted on 06/13/2017 4:37:21 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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Up until the 1960s, all schools had vocational courses. Then that started shifting to regional vocational schools. It’s INSANE not to have these courses in every high school. A whole lot of time and money could be saved by students who if given the exposure would opt for apprenticeship programs to prepare them for a trade.


33 posted on 06/13/2017 4:41:05 PM PDT by grania (Deplorable and Proud of It!)
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What? This is insane.

People getting smart, earning money in all economic environments.

Insane.

Humans have no right to get smart and be productive.

WTH?

Independent people can't be manipulated by the ruling class.

We rulers must doom this idea of self-sufficiency.

34 posted on 06/13/2017 4:41:53 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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I my young years (1940-50's) there were apprenticeship programs. At least they were called apprenticeship programs back then.

Guys that I was in school with got jobs with Plumbers, Carpenters, Electricians, etc. They were called apprentice to that craft they were working at and learning.

They went on to become masters at their chosen craft. Some went on to start their own companies with success.

I believe it is a great idea!

35 posted on 06/13/2017 4:45:32 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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I LOVE that idea. When I was going to H.S. (graduated in 1957) they offered a 2 year program for Junior and Senior years, in the afternoons, for those gals with the aptitude and good enough grades, to take a secretarial course in H.S. (typing, filing, shorthand, business machines) and 2 yrs. later, just before graduation you went to Fresno State College and took the same test the college students took, and if you passed got your Professional Business Women’s Certif. Most of our class passed (including me), and were adequate secretarial material to get good jobs at age 17 right out of High School. The boys took shop (automotive), or wood working, and also had the opportunity to have a little aptitude to go forward to get jobs out of high school. Today it could be computer sciences, as well. Not everyone goes on to college, or even should go on to college, and might be better served learning a job worthy skill.


36 posted on 06/13/2017 4:46:05 PM PDT by kiltie65
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