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Plasma Jet Engines Might Soon Become A Reality
Wall Street Pit ^ | May 27, 2017

Posted on 05/27/2017 6:18:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Conventional jet engines generate thrust by mixing fuel with compressed air, then igniting it. As the burning mixture rapidly expands, it gets blasted out of the back of the engine, propelling the craft forward.

On the other hand, a plasma jet engine does away with the standard air and fuel mixture. Instead, it makes use of electricity to compress and excite gas into a plasma — an extremely hot, dense ionised state comparable with the insides of a fusion reactor or a star — then generate an electromagnetic field from it.

Plasma engines have remained in experimental stages for quite some time, and their use is focused mainly on propelling satellites and other spacecraft. But researchers at the Technical University of Berlin led by Berkant Göksel intend to change that.

According to Göksel, their aim is to develop a system that can operate at over 30 kilometers up, where ‘standard engines cannot go’, and which could even bring along passengers and take them to the edge of the atmosphere and beyond. In other words, they want to use plasma engine to propel a passenger jet and enable it to fly at altitudes that are much higher than where typical jets can go, practically to the edge of space.

While plasma jet engines are typically designed to operate in a vacuum or in low pressure areas like those found high up in the atmosphere, Göksel’s team has managed to test a plasma engine that works on air at a pressure of one atmosphere. As Göksel told New Scientist: “We are the first to produce fast and powerful plasma jets at ground level. These jets of plasma can reach speeds of up to 20 kilometers a second.”

The team was able to achieve this by using a ‘rapid stream of nanosecond-long electric discharges to fire up the propulsion mixture’, a technique that’s somewhat similar to what’s used in pulse detonation combustion engines. The technique isn’t just more efficient; it can also significantly extend the range of aircraft, also lowering operational cost in the process.

As promising as the results of the team’s tests are, however, there are still several stumbling blocks that need to be overcome before their engine can be used on an actual aircraft.

For starters, the team has only been able to test mini thrusters so far. By mini, we mean 80 millimeters long. A commercial plane would need about 10,000 of them to fly, which makes the concept quite impractical based on their current design. Smaller planes would be more feasible as these would only require between 100 and 1,000 thrusters. Which is why the team is choosing to concentrate on those first.

Because a considerable amount of electricity is needed to generate and sustain plasma, the most challenging part of using a plasma engine would have to be the power source. As pointed out by Dan Lev from the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology: “An array of thrusters would require a small electrical power plant, which would be impossible to mount on an aircraft with today’s technology.” Making the thrusters bigger to reduce the number needed for an aircraft won’t be a viable solution as well because it will still require the same amount, or maybe even more power.

Göksel and his team are hoping for a way to work around this, whether through a breakthrough in compact fusion reactors, or by using alternative power sources like solar panels or maybe ‘beaming power wirelessly to the engines’. They are also exploring the possibility of creating hybrid planes which will integrate their plasma engine with a pulse detonation combustion engine or a rocket.

Details of the research have recently been published in the Journal of Physics Conference Series.


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aircraft; aviation; engineering; jets; plasma
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The article is wrong about how conventional aircraft jet engines work. 80% or more of the thrust comes from a fan blowing air backwards. The jet engine simply drives that fan.


21 posted on 05/27/2017 8:03:06 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: maro
Imagine a flying missile platform based on the moon.

Moon base doesn't need missiles - just drop rocks down the gravity well (Hat tip to Robert A. Heinlein).

22 posted on 05/27/2017 8:43:55 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Start it out as a lighter than air dirigible, float it up high and fire the plasma jets, shrink the cross section diameter and deploy lift wings the faster it goes. When you want to land kill the jets, re-inflate and retract the wings, and float to the ground.

Freegards


23 posted on 05/27/2017 8:57:53 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: libh8er

Turbofans do not operate in the same airspace as turbojets— not for speed, nor for altitude.

For those curious, the technical paper is here:

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/825/1/012005/pdf


24 posted on 05/27/2017 9:11:12 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“maybe ‘beaming power wirelessly to the engines’.”

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.


25 posted on 05/27/2017 9:28:49 PM PDT by Redcitizen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Because a considerable amount of electricity is needed to generate and sustain plasma, the most challenging part of using a plasma engine would have to be the power source.
26 posted on 05/27/2017 9:54:36 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: nicepaco

AND you should see the super sonic version, plus the hypersonic version is just around the corner, so to speak, just mind blowing what can be done with windmills - incredible!


27 posted on 05/28/2017 3:31:06 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF
-- AND you should see the super sonic version, plus the hypersonic version is just around the corner ... --

Using the new hyperfusion generator

28 posted on 05/28/2017 3:46:23 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Right! I totally forgot about that marvelous invention in my excitement on learning the true potential of windmill power!


29 posted on 05/28/2017 4:03:14 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Ransomed
When you want to land kill the jets, re-inflate and retract the wings, and float to the ground.

Re-inflate? How? It's not like a sub, where the buoyancy medium surrounds you and you can pump it in or out at will. A heat source for hot air, maybe?

30 posted on 05/28/2017 5:49:24 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: JimRed

I have no idea. I was just thinking about getting around the weight of the powerplant and probably a lot of Flash Gordon comics, ha.

Freegards


31 posted on 05/28/2017 6:54:41 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: maro

Yikes!


32 posted on 05/28/2017 7:30:06 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: noiseman
I've seen this in action in the movies! :)


33 posted on 05/28/2017 8:29:23 AM PDT by xp38
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