[ek_hornbeck]

Apparently the democrats who owned slaves

Don't you love it when people idiotically retroject contemporary political issues and debates back into past centuries? The fact that J.C. Calhoun or Jefferson Davis were Democrats in the 19th century doesn't mean that their policies had anything in common with Obama's, because what defined Democrats (Democratic Republicans early in their history) and Republicans (Federalists and Whigs earlier in their history) weren't the issues the define the parties today. In fact, the defining issue separating Democrats from Republicans during most of the 19th Century was States' Rights (Democrats) vs. a stronger Federal Government (Republicans).

Of course, the people who say "The Confederacy was evil because it was founded by Democrats" spout that line hoping that someone listening to them is stupid enough to believe that because Calhoun or Davis were "Democrats" they would have supported transgender bathrooms or social welfare programs for illegal immigrants today.

[BroJoeK]

ek_hornbeck: "The fact that J.C. Calhoun or Jefferson Davis were Democrats in the 19th century doesn't mean that their policies had anything in common with Obama's, because what defined Democrats (Democratic Republicans early in their history) and Republicans (Federalists and Whigs earlier in their history) weren't the issues the define the parties today."

Oh, my goodness, but Democrats then were exactly alike today in everything important:

1. First & foremost, they were & are opposed to the US Constitution.
   Before they called themselves "Democrats" they first went by the name "anti-Federalists", meaning those who opposed ratification of our 1787 Constitution.
   That's why in 1861 they called themselves the "Confederacy" to honor our old Articles of Confederation.
   Having lost the ratification battle in 1788, they became the "anti-Administration" party against President Washington's government.

   But Democrats never did like our Constitution and try at every possible moment to bend or corrupt it more to suit their own purposes.

2. They don't accept results of elections which go against them.
   We saw this in November 1860 and again this past election.

3. Democrats from Day One have been all about using government coercion to force you to pay for their well-being.
   Only the definitions of "you" & "they" change over time.
   In the Old Days, "you" meant African slaves while today it means... well, just about anybody who doesn't feel like a slave or otherwise "oppressed".

4. Democrats then & now harshly enforced laws they favor -- i.e., fugitive slave laws then, international "refugee" immigrants today -- and Democrats ignore laws they oppose, i.e., Jefferson's nullification & interposition theory then, and in "sanctuary cities" today.

I could go on, but that's a good start.
Anyone else want to add to it?