Posted on 04/15/2017 6:22:19 AM PDT by Sean_Anthony
But part of the phenomenon long precedes YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and social media dictating the news. It's the American cult of victimization
You’ve been snookered folks! By that poor elderly doctor who was involuntarily dragged from his seat, had his face smashed in, and was beaten unconscious by the evil airport security at the behest of United Airlines.
Because there’s no evidence any of that was true. It was in fact a premeditated temper tantrum gone viral, comprising one 69-year-old Vietnamese-American David Dao, a medical doctor who lost his license, planning a lawsuit from the moment United first politely asked him to give up his seat. He demanded to be dragged, did an excellent impersonation of Ned Beatty’s character in that horrific scene in Deliverance, and struck his lip on an armrest. From the many videos taken by numerous passengers, obviously from numerous angles, there’s no evidence of a beating, a “serious” concussion, or bodily damage beyond that lip.
>>>I read an article that covered the term ‘boarding,’ yesterday, written for a law journal. I’ll take the info from that over the piece you’re promoting.>>>
Cool.
Maybe so ... maybe so ... but you have to admit that it that is not laid out clearly anywhere.
See, in my opinion, by the time that I've gotten to my seat, I've already turned in my boarding pass. To me, that means that I have completed boarding. If boarding was not completed until the door closed, shouldn't they have to wait until that point to collect boarding passes?
I mean, it's like if I went to a movie theater or a sporting event: I have a ticket and, until I turn that ticket in, they may be a chance for them to forbid me entrance (maybe they think the ticket is a forgery or something). But, once I've turned in that ticket and been granted entrance to the venue, I can only be removed for misconduct, not at the whim of the venue operators. I can't be accused of trespassing because they took my ticket/entry/boarding pass ... they gave me admission. After that point, other rules apply for my removal.
Btw, welcome to FreeRepublic. Your last name isn’t Munoz, by any chance?
If nothing, these threads have exposed the sheep and the lemmings. The prone to collaboration with a Vichy or Quisling government. It is good to know who the turncoats will be.
>>>I have flown enough to know that once you’re on the plane, seated, they’ve taken your pass and scanned it.....you’re boarded.
Hell, in your world, I can see you advocating tossing a passenger out of a doorway,after liftoff, should the airline deem it so. >>>>
Let’s roll baby. Yeah, if the passenger poses a threat, causing danger to the plane with his unstable behavior, that fool is going. And you’ll be thanking me.
100% agreement.
He paid for that seat.
He was in that seat.
It was flight time.
The airline’s only option was asking for volunteers.
Like Reagan who once said “I paid for this microphone!”even though he didn’t own it, this man paid for his seat.
>>>Btw, welcome to FreeRepublic. Your last name isn’t Munoz, by any chance?>>>
Oh gosh, another Nazi Freeper checking on profiles to see how long someone has been here. I dealt with like 3 of them last night. Creepy........checking people’s history and profiles. LOL.....weird stalking like creepy stuff.
I would argue that the airline knew well in advance that those employees would have to travel to another airport and should have made arrangements to get them there without bumping paying passengers from the plane. There are some flights where there are few passengers--United couldn't have flown them on the "red-eye" to get them there?
No other removals seem to have reached this particular level of violence, coercion, publicity or tone deaf official response from an airline. None have been so widely videoed and publicized. This is new territory and is a huge black eye for the industry. UA will have to settle big and not allow a trial, which will expose more to the public.
You’re been here less than a week and you’re calling me a Nazi?
Wow.
How about this: see if you can locate a definition of ‘Godwin’s Law.’
Because you just stepped in it.
“By the way, according to this article, they take it even further. As long as the plane hasn’t left the “gate” .......they can deny boarding.”
The article you cite from April 10 was obviously another poorly researched article from someone with no legal training - before United started its backtracking in light of someone actually analyzing their contract and how fouled up their procedures are.
With respect to “boarding” and the position that somehow the common understanding as an act of personally going onboard a vessel (not collectively - not at the whim of the common carrier when the gangplank is lifted or the door closed) is incorrect, United’s CEO Munoz’s statement is the end of the matter:
“On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United’s gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.”
The article, again written before saner heads had considered the actual obligations of United, described the situation as “an oversold flight” - which it was not - and goes downhill from there.
A dispassionate examination of this episode has to conclude that UA has suffered a massive wound. Self inflicted and costly. Either through arrogance or incompetence, UA is going to suffer greatly. Its competition will surely make the best of UA’s stupidity.
>>>>You’re been here less than a week and you’re calling me a Nazi?
Wow.>>>>
You started it with your tone and then went to check on my profile to see how long I was here. People do that when they get desperate and lose on facts. I find it creepy.
And I was here before you were a gleam in your Daddy’s eye I’m just back. So there’s that. Go back and check your tone with me and me with you.
Easy. We have been told everyone is a victim and no one is responsible for anything. It is always someone else that caused the problem. That way maybe one day I will get rich without doing anything. The mindset of many today.
I don't think that "already boarded, can't be removed" nit matters at all in this case, or in any other one, as a practical matter.
Either way, the passenger is delayed. And either way, they can refuse the Rule 25 compensation and sue for actual damages. For the amount of money involved in actual damages (setting the beating aside as not administered by the airline), not many lawyers are going to take the case. The three cases I know of are Nader, a retired Illinois Supreme Court judge by the name of Kluczynski, and an aviation lawyer by the name of Thatcher A. Stone.
So, Sean, what are your thoughts on the subject?
Get used to it. DUmmies like to sign up and instigate. If you are permitted to stick around long enough, you may learn a few things. If you don’t, oh well. Such is life. You may well learn that the owners of this site have property rights, too.
>>>The article you cite from April 10 was obviously another poorly researched article from someone with no legal training - before United started its backtracking in light of someone actually analyzing their contract and how fouled up their procedures are.>>>
I’m pretty sure every article you disagree with is a “poorly researched article.”
I may find yours to be poorly researched. Human nature I guess. But facts are facts. Airlines kick people off of planes all the time. Because they can and it’s legal, as the article says. The poorly researched one.
What’s creepy is calling a person a Nazi. My “tone” is a figment of your imagination. My first two posts to you were polite and factual. In the third I asked if your name is Munoz. If that works you into a lather, you’re too sensitive for the normal give and take of online discussions.
Unless the person you are responding to is 20 years old, you haven’t been “here” long enough. FR does have retreads. Many are those banned or suspended. For various reasons. What was your infraction. (Though, I can surmise from your attitude.)
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