Posted on 04/15/2017 6:22:19 AM PDT by Sean_Anthony
But part of the phenomenon long precedes YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and social media dictating the news. It's the American cult of victimization
You’ve been snookered folks! By that poor elderly doctor who was involuntarily dragged from his seat, had his face smashed in, and was beaten unconscious by the evil airport security at the behest of United Airlines.
Because there’s no evidence any of that was true. It was in fact a premeditated temper tantrum gone viral, comprising one 69-year-old Vietnamese-American David Dao, a medical doctor who lost his license, planning a lawsuit from the moment United first politely asked him to give up his seat. He demanded to be dragged, did an excellent impersonation of Ned Beatty’s character in that horrific scene in Deliverance, and struck his lip on an armrest. From the many videos taken by numerous passengers, obviously from numerous angles, there’s no evidence of a beating, a “serious” concussion, or bodily damage beyond that lip.
LibertyOh, this is by far the best post I have seen on this subject.
From now on, my only response on this subject will be a link to your post.
Very, very well written.
Apparently Mao ran back on the plane when all three police went to look for a gurney. He was left unattended.
It matters only to which criteria must be met to allow the carrier to forcibly remove a passenger. He's boarded by any definition, and he's not disruptive. Can United still have him removed? Of course, by an actual cop telling Dao he's under arrest.
OH! And the big news around here is we are getting a Five Guys!!!
Libertyoh, I’m seconding what samtheman said. That was the best summation I’ve seen. You hit all the points masterfully. Thanks for posting; it’s getting bookmarked.
Delta's average payout for bumping is double compared to United or American. They are also upping their limits. Gate agents will be able to authorize up to $2K. Supervisors will can authorize $10K
It will be interesting to hear the cockpit recorders if they are recovered. No one has yet definitively said if the pilots were involved. It is possible for sure. At some point I’m sure they found out what was happening.
It is fraud. There is no other definition. What would a car dealer be charged with if it sold the same car to w people & got paid in advance? If it happens only 2-3 times DELIBERATELY (as is the case) the perp should be prosecuted. Doesn’t matter who the person is that instigates the change.
Not sure if it would help establish what led to his ejection.
All you'd get is 'aaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAUUUUUGGHHHHaaaaaaaa'
1. Laws are reinterpreted every day.
2. The gubment will get involved in this. People are much angrier today at airlines over a host of mistreatments than in Nader’s time when it was still a “thing” to fly.
3. We have seen countless cases involving injury and even inconvenience ruled for plaintiffs DESPITE what warnings/fine print says
This is an idea whose time has come.
>>>Look up “JetBlue+$90k fine”. The fine was for the plane being “boarded” but left at the gate, door open for hours, while JetBlue neglected to tell the passengers they could deplane. I’d argue you are in fact “boarded” once you set foot on the plane.>>>>
Might depend on the definition of terms. Or even industry practice. If United had good legal folks, they would have a “definition of terms” in their contract that includes “boarded.” And in this case, hopefully for them, the term “boarded” does not include any physical bodily location or position, whether physically on or off the plane UNTIL and AFTER the plane has departed from the gate. Only then is a passenger considered and moved to “boarded” status. Well.....something like that.
But I don’t know if they have a definition of terms and if so, it covers boarded. Good legal people could have saved them, or will save them millions in this case.
The United Pilots Union denounced Dao’s treatment in the strongest terms, and blamed it all on sevurity.
+1
Amazing isn’t it. And to think that for almost 17 years I thought I was on a friendly, conservative forum. I got your back Thumper!
IMHO a lot of the anger against airlines is also fueled by the insanely stupid and oppressive TSA craptactics. Take that away, allow people to bring nail clippers and other things that will never and have never done any harm, and the boiling rage will diminish to a medium ire. Not that the airlines are innocent. But there are two separate issues and the TSA and all the other restrictions and invasive hellaciousness people have to go through that are merely symbolic since they don’t target Moslems, are (IMHO again) worse.
Worse since everyone suffers them.
Target Moslems only and a lot of the problems are solved.
The article I mentioned, that appeared in the law journal, included a list of terms that United had defined. ‘Boarded,’ was not among them.
>>>The article I mentioned, that appeared in the law journal, included a list of terms that United had defined. ‘Boarded,’ was not among them.>>>>
Could have been a poorly researched article. Popular Mechanics says they are allowed to do what they did.
CNBC says United can legally do what they did. But you probably think it’s a poorly researched news piece. That’s human nature. Thanks.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/11/united-airlines-passenger-dragged-off-flight-video-overbooking.html
Like I said, the way business is USUALLY done in this country is to file a complaint (or lawsuit) after the fact, but ACT LIKE A GROWNUP at the time of the event.
For example, if a shop schedules me for a car repair, and then I show up, but then they cancel the appointment (for whatever reason), I may complain a bit, I may even file a lawsuit if I think there’s a case - but I WILL NOT go on rampage kicking and screaming through their garage...because if I did, I’d likely have to deal with the police too.
Sorry, but I will not join the liberals in beating up on large corporations because of one guy’s antics.
As I explained before, this was an analysis written by a law prof for a legal journal. It was very extensive and thorough. I’ll take it over Popular Mechanics and CNBC any time.
>>>>Like I said, the way business is USUALLY done in this country is to file a complaint (or lawsuit) after the fact, but ACT LIKE A GROWNUP at the time of the event.
For example, if a shop schedules me for a car repair, and then I show up, but then they cancel the appointment (for whatever reason), I may complain a bit, I may even file a lawsuit if I think there’s a case - but I WILL NOT go on rampage kicking and screaming through their garage...because if I did, I’d likely have to deal with the police too.
Sorry, but I will not join the liberals in beating up on large corporations because of one guy’s antics.>>>>
Home Run. Right On. High Five. Says it all.
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