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ObamaCare: Republicans Failing to Get Rid of What We Never Asked For
Black & Blonde Media ^ | 3/9/17 | Black & Blonde Media

Posted on 03/09/2017 7:55:10 AM PST by impetrio1

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To: Owen

I appreciate you insights, however, there is NOT one good reason this is being done in phases! Come on, they presented full repeals to Obama! We now have the POTUS, the Senate, and the House, and they’re offering Obamacare 2.0?

We have one chance to get this fixed, and it needs to be done now!

As I said, I’m not throwing Trump under the bus, but if he accepts Ryan’s plan, he will lose a good portion of his base, and that’s a fact.

I’m waiting and watching at this point.


21 posted on 03/09/2017 8:56:14 AM PST by Artcore (Donald J. Trump - 45th President of the United States of America!)
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To: Owen

Why are Republicans obligated to fix or replace Obamacare? You can scream about 60 votes or Senate rules, but that doesn’t answer the central question.


22 posted on 03/09/2017 9:32:54 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (STOP THE TAPE!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

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Why are Republicans obligated to fix or replace Obamacare?
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So you want them to break their promise?

But the answer to your self imagined important question is McCain, Flake and Collins won’t vote in favor of repeal with no replace. So Repeal Only could not get even 50 votes.


23 posted on 03/09/2017 10:00:21 AM PST by Owen
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You know, I think maybe the most powerful problem here is the Democrat operatives here, or maybe even conservatives, haven’t grasped that this big election victory provided a FAR SMALLER majority than Obama had up to Nov 2010.

The GOP majority is not big at all. Obama had 60 votes in the Senate until Kennedy died, and even with those votes they fought and scrambled and worried about losing seats. When Kennedy died and Scott Brown got that seat that took them under 59 and Reconciliation was all they had . . . for a NON SINGLE PAYER plan called Obamacare. They WANTED single payer and could not get it through their own party.

Why would you imagine that with only 52 votes you can do larger things than the Dems could with 60? You’ll always have Senators who don’t agree.

Do you realize in addition to McCain, Flake and Collins, we also have 2 Senators from blue states? Nevada and Colorado. You can sneer at those 2 for being filthy RINOs, but reality is — and this is beyond just wanting to get re-elected — they have an obligation to represent their state’s people. If they are in a blue state, hardcore right wing votes is betrayal of their state.

So just get rational. You get 60 votes, or you get Reconciliation. You’ll take it, and you’ll defend it. The Dems circled the wagon around Obamacare, even when they demanded a single payer plan.


24 posted on 03/09/2017 10:08:02 AM PST by Owen
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So you want them to break their promise?

What promise? Only Trump said he'll repeal and replace. The replace part came right when Trump won the election. Prior to the election, every Republican was talking repeal.

Sure you can replace it...when Obamacare is completely repealed and off the books so that leftist judges can't cite it as law anymore.

But the answer to your self imagined important question is McCain, Flake and Collins won’t vote in favor of repeal with no replace. So Repeal Only could not get even 50 votes.

But the House Freedom Caucus and Senators such as Rand or Cruz aren't going to vote for RyanCare either. Ryancare doesn't have the votes to pass either.

So you would rather have a vote for repeal, or a vote for Obamacare-lite?

25 posted on 03/09/2017 8:07:54 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (STOP THE TAPE!)
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They WANTED single payer and could not get it through their own party.

That had nothing to do with the mechanics of the Senate or the Dems' slim majority.

They didn't want single-payer because every Dem and their Momma would have lost their seats in 2012. Single-payer would have killed the Democrat Party. Even the traditional left-wing coalition groups of the Democrats saw this and encouraged to pass Obamacare with all its tricks, waivers, and subsidies. A couple of dozen of leftist moonbats pining for single-payer is not a majority of the Dem base.

26 posted on 03/09/2017 8:13:04 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (STOP THE TAPE!)
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Look, you’re just misinformed.

Go look up Pelosi’s speech to the House Dems. The whole caucus. They wanted single payer. That was 257, with at most 10 who didn’t want it.

247. Six more than the GOP has now.

You just don’t remember the specifics of 2010.

Pelosi presented a single payer plan to the Senate. It couldn’t get 60.


27 posted on 03/09/2017 9:54:12 PM PST by Owen
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Pelosi presented a single payer plan to the Senate. It couldn’t get 60.

Of course she didn't get to 60. Because every Dem from Caribou Maine to San Diego CA would have lost their shirts. That was bluster to make her left-wing kooks happy. The Dems didn't have the stomach to pass single-payer. Trust me, even if they had, Obama or Reid would have changed it on a technicality. They would have called it single-payer, but it still would have been Obamacare without the extreme Marxist that single-payer would have wrought.

28 posted on 03/09/2017 10:00:24 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (STOP THE TAPE!)
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