[marktwain]

Many say the Ruger LCP is a perfected Kel-Tec design.

I have heard quite a few say Kel-Tec innovates a design, then Ruger will make it reliable.

Maybe something like that will happen with the PMR 30 and KSB.

[Gaffer]

I expect so. I have several Rugers....every one as reliable as can be.

For the KSG, I think its match has already been made with the arrival of the DP-12. IMO, it is better. Even when it first came on scene, KSG Users Group posts were dismissive and completely uninformed since no one had actually used one. I finally gave up on the KSOG when all I saw in responses to legitimate faults were “fluff and buff” (on PLASTIC) and “KelTec Service will make it right.” [I’ve seen pictures of a Sub-2000 that broke at the folding hinge while shooting - plastic, but Keltec will make it right.]

Today, I think the DP-12 is better, but it is much more expensive. If I buy another KSG-like shotgun, it will be a DP-12.

[Jeff Vader]

yup, the LCP is what the P3AT should have been. I have both and the LCP was cheaper and is much superior

[OKSooner]

Maybe someone will perfect something like the PMR 30 and the carbine, but it seems to me that making a rimmed cartridge of any kind function (fill in acceptable >99.9) percent in a magazine-fed weapon is an uphill battle.

Something like that with a threaded barrel, suppressor (see Hearing Protection Act) and light would make a nice nightstand weapon for the recoil-sensitive. Theoretically, anyway.

Maybe it would help if someone would make it a single-stack, but of course it would only be 10-12 rounds in that case. Didn't Ruger make a 10-22 (rotary magazine) in .22 magnum for a short time? (Thinking improved carbine here, obviously.)

I'm inclined to see the point of those who say that kel-tec needs to get better control of what they already have than trying to expand and make more exotic-looking weapons of marginal quality.